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[rajpreet82]

answers.

I am a sikh.
I might marry a black man, white man, christian, jew, hindu, muslim or a simpson.
If I do, will I be allowed to get married in a Gurdwara?

If yes, great.
If no, then why?

The sikh religion states that all beings are equal and should be respected. Sikhi does not discriminate between religions and races. If Sikhi respects all faiths then why can I not marry someone who is not a sikh?

Attack over UK MM

The marriage of a Sikh and a non-Sikh led to attacks on the priest who performed the ceremony in Birmingham, the UK, according to reports of the Birmingham Post and the News Post of India.

Jarnail Singh Bhogal, president of the Ramgharia Sikh gurdwara said that he awoke to “a big bang and an orange light or flash. I opened the curtains and saw my three cars on fire.”

An online Sikh forum post had condemned the marriage, demanded the priest’s resignation and warned local leaders of dire consequences for mixed marriages.

The gurdwara authorities responded that the groom had converted to Sikhism before the ceremony. Source

^^^ That does not make any sense to me. If sikhs believe that all religions are equal blah blah, then why do people behave like morons when two people of different religions get married.

Is the Sikh religion contradicting itself?

[singh187]

your so d**n liberal~ raj kiran

this is a deeper theological issue.

[rajpreet82]

nothing wrong with being liberal.

[londonLIONjatt]

rajpreet it is an issue of tribalism as well.

rajpreet also u can do what u want, you don;t have to get married in a gurdwara, but also manny gurdwaras follow the rules of their commitees.

Also liberal person doesn't need to get married, can just be bf and gf, no shame in that for liberal person

[rajpreet82]

May 30, 2008 13:15:44 GMT londonLIONjatt said:

rajpreet also u can do what u want, you don;t have to get married in a gurdwara, but also manny gurdwaras follow the rules of their commitees.

Also liberal person doesn't need to get married, can just be bf and gf, no shame in that for liberal person

i think you're unaware of what the term liberal actually means.

choosing to get married is ones personal and private decision. being liberal has nothing to do with the choice a person makes to marry or to simply cohabit.

definition of liberal in this context is:

- free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude.
- open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

now, are u suggesting that just because i am a liberal person i should not get married but i should live with my partner. you may also think that just because i am liberal it means i take part in these so called liberal activites like drinking alcohol, smoking and possibly sex before marriage.

i myself am a liberal person. i do not have no problems with what others choose to do with their life. but do not make silly assumptions and judgements of me just because you are unsure of what liberal is. i do follow some aspects of sikhism and if i choose to marry in a gurdwara i flicking will. as a human being i have the right to 1- think wot i want 2- do what i want [as long as its legal].

and why has no1 bothered to answer the questions i asked in the first post.
am i really being liberal when i say that i would marry a man of a different religion/race to mine. if i am a sikh and i believe everyone is equal than i can marry any1 i want. our gurus did not discriminate then why should i?

[rajpreet82]

from the bit i understood..

i know it says in the ggs that a sikh must only marry another sikh. but its a contradiction.
why are people jus assuming that jus cuz i hold these kind of views i must be loose? f**k sake.

[Street Team 06]

You should ask this question on a Sikhi forum e.g. www.SikhSangat.com

here no one will be able to give you a decent answer

[mrshdhami]

Why are you posting me name in this thread lol? I dont even know you bruv

[gigteam]

May 29, 2008 21:22:11 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

answers.

I am a sikh.
I might marry a black man, white man, christian, jew, hindu, muslim or a simpson.
If I do, will I be allowed to get married in a Gurdwara?

If yes, great.
If no, then why?

The sikh religion states that all beings are equal and should be respected. Sikhi does not discriminate between religions and races. If Sikhi respects all faiths then why can I not marry someone who is not a sikh?

If sikhs believe that all religions are equal blah blah, then why do people behave like morons when two people of different religions get married.

Is the Sikh religion contradicting itself?

rajpreet82

You proudly state "I am a Sikh" then you should know that the answer to your question is not with the message board members - as a Sikh you should know where look for any answers to any of lifes questions ?

if you are Sikh you will know the answers although I personally question this from your post as you refer to the Sikh religion rather than "my Sikh religion or our Sikh religion" , or state If sikhs believe ...... you text seem to show that also you seem to want to marry everyone else but a Sikh ?

[Street Team 06]

Hit the nail spot on the head gigteam, you actually uncovered certain things that I didnt myself.. wow!

[rajpreet82]

proudly state? lol dude i wud like to call myself a sikh but ive jus started exploring the religion so i was abit forward in making that statement. apologies

and i may end up marryin a sikh but for the sake of this argument i didnt say that because then there would be no problem. i dont hav anythin against sikh men, but regardless of religion men are men and i may fall in love with any1. who knows?

i asked this because i did try n find some answers in the ggs but i cudnt so i thought i wud ask u lovely folk. to me what i interpreted from the research i did on sikhi seemed to be a contradiction and no1 seems to have an answer to the questions i asked.

'if you are Sikh you will know the answers' > really?


refer to the Sikh religion rather than "my Sikh religion or our Sikh religion" > lol my sikh religion seems abit selfish and with our sikh religion i wud be jus assuming tht everyone on this forum wud be a sikh.

[multitonerecords]

rajpreet, you tease you....

i clicked on this thread..thinking i was going to lose birr jinn itty

instead you got some intellectual stuff going


you feeeshhhh

[singh187]

i hav an intersting story about this matter.

[rajpreet82]

^^^ share.

[Ks1]

If I do, will I be allowed to get married in a Gurdwara?

I am pretty sure the Gurdwara will not have a problem with that. Here in America i seen it happen a few times.

[londonLIONjatt]

May 30, 2008 15:53:37 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

May 30, 2008 13:15:44 GMT londonLIONjatt said:

rajpreet also u can do what u want, you don;t have to get married in a gurdwara, but also manny gurdwaras follow the rules of their commitees.

Also liberal person doesn't need to get married, can just be bf and gf, no shame in that for liberal person

i think you're unaware of what the term liberal actually means.

choosing to get married is ones personal and private decision. being liberal has nothing to do with the choice a person makes to marry or to simply cohabit.

definition of liberal in this context is:

- free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude.
- open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

now, are u suggesting that just because i am a liberal person i should not get married but i should live with my partner. you may also think that just because i am liberal it means i take part in these so called liberal activites like drinking alcohol, smoking and possibly sex before marriage.

i myself am a liberal person. i do not have no problems with what others choose to do with their life. but do not make silly assumptions and judgements of me just because you are unsure of what liberal is. i do follow some aspects of sikhism and if i choose to marry in a gurdwara i flicking will. as a human being i have the right to 1- think wot i want 2- do what i want [as long as its legal].

and why has no1 bothered to answer the questions i asked in the first post.
am i really being liberal when i say that i would marry a man of a different religion/race to mine. if i am a sikh and i believe everyone is equal than i can marry any1 i want. our gurus did not discriminate then why should i?

Rajpreet, like I said, you don't HAVE to get married, buts its your choice. As in, I didn't tell you to not get married, (especially in today's society) I just stated you don't NEED to, you see the difference?

I am in fact very pro-marriage.

[londonLIONjatt]

May 30, 2008 23:24:02 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

from the bit i understood..

i know it says in the ggs that a sikh must only marry another sikh. but its a contradiction.
why are people jus assuming that jus cuz i hold these kind of views i must be loose? f**k sake.

Where does it say this in Adi Guru Granth Sahib may I ask?? It doesn't tell anyone to follow any religion, where did you get this marriage quote from.

[londonLIONjatt]

May 31, 2008 3:26:20 GMT Street Team 06 said:

You should ask this question on a Sikhi forum e.g. www.SikhSangat.com

here no one will be able to give you a decent answer

no don't post on sikhsangat, they are very biased forum with moderators who have very AKJ views, another forum you can try is www.sikhawareness.com , I only go onto sikhsangat to annoy extremists lol.

[rajpreet82]

Jun 9, 2008 15:56:51 GMT londonLIONjatt said:

May 30, 2008 23:24:02 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

from the bit i understood..

i know it says in the ggs that a sikh must only marry another sikh. but its a contradiction.
why are people jus assuming that jus cuz i hold these kind of views i must be loose? f**k sake.

Where does it say this in Adi Guru Granth Sahib may I ask?? It doesn't tell anyone to follow any religion, where did you get this marriage quote from.

i said that in the ggs is states that a sikh should marry another sikh. i did not say that the ggs tells people to follow a certain religion. i have no idea where you even got that from.

if its really important i will find you the quote.
not now though, im making roti.

[londonLIONjatt]

Jun 10, 2008 13:34:31 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

Jun 9, 2008 15:56:51 GMT londonLIONjatt said:

Where does it say this in Adi Guru Granth Sahib may I ask?? It doesn't tell anyone to follow any religion, where did you get this marriage quote from.

i said that in the ggs is states that a sikh should marry another sikh. i did not say that the ggs tells people to follow a certain religion. i have no idea where you even got that from.

if its really important i will find you the quote.
not now though, im making roti.

yes i want to see the quote and also page number.

[rajpreet82]

oh it states it in the reht maryada

chapter XI
'(b) A Sikh’s daughter must be married to a Sikh.'

and

' (e) When a girl becomes marriageable, physically, emotionally and by virtue of maturity of character, a suitable Sikh match should be found and she be married to him by Anand marriage rites.'


i will just add this in for you..

''(d) Not believing in caste or descent, untouchability, magic, spells, incantation, omens, auspicious times, days and occasions, influence of start, horoscopic dispositions, shradh (ritual serving of food to priests for the salvation of ancestors on appointed days as per the lunar calendar), ancestor worship, khiah (ritual serving of food to priests - Brahmins - on the lunar anniversaries of the death of an ancestor), pind (offering of funeral barley cakes to the deceased’s relatives), patal (ritual donation of food in the belief that that would satisfy the hunger of the departed soul), diva (the ceremony of keeping an oil lamp lit for 360 days after the death, in the belief that that lights the path of the deceased), ritual funeral acts, hom (lighting of ritual fire and pouring intermittently clarified butter, food grains etc. into it for propitiating gods for the fulfillment of a purpose) jag (religious ceremony involving presentation of oblations), tarpan (libation), sikha-sut (keeping a tuft of hair on the head and wearing thread), bhadan (shaving of head on the death of a parent), fasting on new or full moon or other days, wearing of frontal marks on the forehead, wearing thread, wearing of a necklace of the pieces of tulsi stalk , veneration of any graves, of monuments erected to honour the memory of a deceased person or of cremation sites, idolatry and such like superstitious observances. [Most, though not all rituals and ritual or religious observances listed in this clause are Hindu rituals and observances. The reason is that the old rituals and practices, continued to be observed by large numbers of Sikhs even after their conversion from their old to the new faith and a large bulk of the Sikh novices were Hindu converts. Another reason for this phenomenon was the strangle-hold of the Brahmin priest on Hindus secular and religious life which the Brahmin priest managed to maintain even on those leaving the Hindu religious fold, by his astute mental dexterity and rare capacity for compromise. That the Sikh novitiates include a sizable number of Muslims is shown by inclusion in this clause of the taboos as to the sanctity of graves, shirni, etc.]''

[londonLIONjatt]

Well this is from the SGPC rehit maryada.

I am not a follower of the SGPC, nor do I believe in their protestant christianised brand of sikhi. Therefore SGPC rehit maryada is meaningless for me.

[rajpreet82]

then you shouldn't get involved in this argument.
wtf is it with people and dividing sikhism. this is just pathetic.

what do u follow?

i thought i just followed sikhism but with all these stupid sikh sects and divisions i dont feel like following anything.

theres a guru granth sahib our living guru should we not follow that?
a sikh should follow the ggs. isnt tht simple enuff?

[mrshdhami]

Oh man I need like 4 hours spare time in my day to read this....

[londonLIONjatt]

Jun 10, 2008 21:21:16 GMT @rajpreet82 said:

then you shouldn't get involved in this argument.
wtf is it with people and dividing sikhism. this is just pathetic.

what do u follow?

i thought i just followed sikhism but with all these stupid sikh sects and divisions i dont feel like following anything.

theres a guru granth sahib our living guru should we not follow that?
a sikh should follow the ggs. isnt tht simple enuff?

well yes, if u only follow Guru Granth Sahib then why r u suddenly taking out the SGPC rehit maryada as well. I also simply follow sikhi, and not SGPC. Therefore their rehit maryada is meaningless to me, and should be to you too, right?