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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:24:34 GMT
wolves gyals [guest] MUSLIM AND SIKH MARRIAGES - RIGHT OR WRONG? Posted 3-8-2003 23:13
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey there people! wot do you guyz think about muslim and sikh people marrying one another? i hav a friend who loves her muslim man, he luvs her too - one problem though.....the parents!!! both families are gonna be well vexed, wot do they do?
isnt it all gud if they luv each other?? isnt that wots important? help! Punjabi [guest] religion Posted 3-16-2003 13:06
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes we are all human beings. We are all made of the same stuff but we create barriers between each other because of many things like race, colour of skin, country and religion.
We think that we are doing our religion proud by putting down other religions and making out that we are the best. Sometimes we say or do things just to impress others.
But if we ever bother to actually look into our religions at all, just to try and understand what the Guru Granth Sahib has got written in it we will see it tells us that we are all made by the same supreme being called God. It makes you realise how stupid we are when we try to separate ourselves from others because of things like religion. All religions say exactly the same things but we are too stupid to understand.
If we believe that our religion is correct and true then we should try to act upon what it says. Sikhism tell us that all religions should be respected beucase they all orginate from the same God. How on earth can we think we are doing our people proud then when we put other religions down.
There are countless amounts of stories in sikhism that deal with this issue but we choose to ignore them and make our own stupid rules about what to do.
The truth is that we have lost all respect for our Gurus. Punjabi [guest] Muslim and sikh marraiges Posted 3-16-2003 13:36
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My view point on mied marraiges is this:
I am no great religious man but I have never come across any thing in Sikhism that says you cannot marry other religions. So religion wise I think there is nothing wrong with it what so ever.
The difficulty lies culturally.
Whether you like it or not, by marrying in another religion you WILL be sacrificing things possibly such as language, customs, traditions, ways of gettings married, how to act in certain situations etc.
If these things don't matter to you then i think mixed marraige is not a problem. But if they do then it will cause major problems.
I was in a mixed marraige but now i am going through a separation. It's a nasty process that now should have to go through.
When I got married I realised I was going against the grain but i thought i was doing it for the right reasons. My ex was not prepared to try and understand my customs/traditions/language. I realised that these things meant a hell of a lot to me. I think Punjabi is a wicked language, our people are wicked, our ways of doing things is wicked, our country is wicked, out families are wicked. (I know not of all of our traditions are good and we should try to stop certain things such as dowry etc.)
She did not share these opinions with me and it caused major conflicts.
When i got married i thought i would be able to balance eveything and keep things good but i was unable to and i couldn't live the rest of my family with someone who was in total conflict with my beliefs, and then also bring children in to such a environment. I would want my kids to be taught what i belive is true and good.
At the end of the day all these conflicts that i talk about could just as easily occur in a normal sikh to sikh marraige. You could deal with this normally but in a mixed marraige you get the external pressure from other people.
It is a difficult decision but tell your mate think hard about it. It's not about religion but about everything else i think.
Thnig with muslims is i think they insist on girls converting to islam when getting married to their sons. Thats cool if you want to do that because it is a religion that bows down to the same god that we do. BUT do you really want to give away everything that sikhism has given to you and so much more that it can give to you. I hope no sikh would feel the need to convert in to any other religion because we have such an awesome history it is unbelievable. It makes your blood boil when reading our history and i hope that my respect for it will only grow and I that never turn away from it.
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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:25:04 GMT
-anonymous- [guest] hmm.. Posted 5-1-2003 14:46
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- im a muslim and my guy is a sikh.we've been going out for over a year now and i love him to bits..yes it is a sticky situation because both of our families are opposed to our relationship and it all goes down to religion and culture..yes,im aware of the differences and am willing to except it and compromise.ive been trying to make the best of it but it seems that he's not making it any easier...i cant blame him for it because i dont want him to turn against his family...there wont be any point of us being together without our familys consent. He said to me that he'll sacrifice his happiness for his parents..that hurts a whole lot...i just wish that things works out like how we want it to, i wish we'd be happy till the end...reality bites...... Jaz [guest] to anonymous Posted 5-5-2003 10:30
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wat u n other peeps gotta think about is the kids from these marriages, what will they go through - i reckon the kids suffer more than the parents as usual love is blind - so blind to the truths of reality -anonymous- [guest] to jaz Posted 5-5-2003 13:02
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What uve said is undeniably true, whether we like it or not .How wonderful love is , it IS blind and it's up to the individual how he or she takes it.
It's so much easier if there werent any conflicts as this but somehow or rather i am thankful because as hurtful as it is..i didnt simply follow my feelings because there's just so much to deal with if we were to..besides,being with him really did gave me a reality check....thats what ive been trying to remind myself-kind of to ease the pain more or less..there's so much more to look forward to rather than to dwell in the problem...if there are people who are going through what ive gone through then i suggest u think hard about the outcomes of ur decisions.. Dont get me wrong..there are always happy endings its just that along the process ur bound to stumble jaz [guest] to anonymous Posted 5-16-2003 20:25
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi there anonymous you say there are always happy endings its just that along the process ur bound to stumble - I disagree totally - there will NEVER be a happy endings as there is no ending - as once you have had children there is no turning back - as they will their own problems who will accept them ? who will play with them at school ? maybe they will not have such a hard school life as these days kids accept each other a bit better - which is one of the reasons we have mixed relationships - not that I blame them. and once they are ready to fall into relationships -who do they go with ? who will love them ? who will want their children to marry in such families ? will you ? will I ? these are just my personal feelings but I am sure if you look deep into yourself and be honest you will know what I say is true and not bullS#!t I will tell you now its one long unhappy story full of tears
I know of a family where the fathers a panjabi and mothers white yet he does not want his children to marry into a different punjabi caste ! T [guest] MUSLIM AND SIKH MARRIGES Posted 6-21-2003 10:14
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guys, i've been in this before, im sikh and my ex was a muslim. It was very hard for us but it comes down to family at the end of the day.
Fare enuff, u might love one another but would u want ur kids to grow up without any relatives around them, would u want them not to have any grandparents around. What would the kids be??? sikh or muslim??? it's going to be hard. My girlfriend was praticing sikhism. She wanted to convert to sikhism but even i know parents still wouldn't except it. My parents would have come around eventually but i didn't want to put my parents and family in that situation.
People say it is "my life, i'll do what i want" but you need to think about the whole situation and not just about yourself.
If its ment to be then it will happen. Just think it like this: your life has already been written. You cannot change it. Ranik MUSLIM AND SIKH MARRIAGES - RIGHT OR WRONG? Posted 6-30-2003 11:01
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- althought i'm a strong hindu follower, i also fallow abit of the sikh religion. I have many sikh, hindu and tamil friends. Many of them face HUGE problems when thinking about marrage in 6 years time or so.
One of my closest mates, a female sikh, fell deeply in love with this guy. They dated for almost 9 months, he knew she was a sikh and she "thought" he was a sikh as well cause he spoke hindi and looked like a sikh. One day they were both having a conversation, then he tell the truth. He told her that he infact was a muslim.
She knew immediatly to break off the relationship because she felt soo "distressed". knowing that she will be in HUGE trouble if anyone in her family finds out.
She still loves this guy, but she know she cannot go back to him. When she told me over the phone, i was sooo angry, i my self have had alot of trouble with muslims in the past, and this just added to my anger.
What would have happened if he never told the truth? this what i think most of the time.
i do think its wrong for a muslim and a sikh to get married. marriage between a muslim and a sikh will cause alot of conflict in families and will also deeply affect the future of the couple.
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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:25:36 GMT
jaz [guest] T Posted 6-30-2003 17:36
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- to T - you life is written but I feel that sometimes you are tested with the right & wrong adn this is the time you life will change
somesay it is written and you can not change it - what that mean ? if i stayed in bed day & night from today does that it was written - wrong God gave you brains for a purpose so use it else why would God give you humans a brain?
So i say to my MUSLIM AND SIKH Guys & Dolls use your brains to understand life and what it means to make a choice what are the consequences of that choice armaghan Muslims Posted 7-1-2003 18:10
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i slighlty disagree with mr punjabi. " all the religions are not made by God"!!! many of the religions are man made..as u no that people used worship sun and trees... how can that be God's religion. u should know the basic fact and remember." there is only one religion which is a true religion" and u r supposed to have faith on what your religion is, and that it is THE RELIGION, which God has transfered to you, to practice it and to believe in it and to mould your life style according to this. u r right about every creature in this world is made by God and the human being is superior to all the creatures..but HE has asked his people to follow the right path and adopt HIS religion. unfortunatley most of the people live all their lives according to their parents religion, which become later their religion. they do not think over this most important aspect of their existence in this universe.
as far as Muslims Sikh marraiges are concerned.. Muslims are not allowed to marry a person of any other religion unless and untill he or she is converted to a Muslim.. which will be a deed of God's will, and "happiness". besides if u are practicing ur religions the marriage wont work out, coz too many things and values become different from each other.
remember...THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION WHICH IS THE RELIGION OF GOD
AND THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD TO BE WORSHIPED BY ALL, WHO CREATED EVERY THING, INCLUDING US armaghan Muslims Posted 7-1-2003 18:11
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i slighlty disagree with mr punjabi. " all the religions are not made by God"!!! many of the religions are man made..as u no that people used worship sun and trees... how can that be God's religion. u should know the basic fact and remember." there is only one religion which is a true religion" and u r supposed to have faith on what your religion is, and that it is THE RELIGION, which God has transfered to you, to practice it and to believe in it and to mould your life style according to this. u r right about every creature in this world is made by God and the human being is superior to all the creatures..but HE has asked his people to follow the right path and adopt HIS religion. unfortunatley most of the people live all their lives according to their parents religion, which become later their religion. they do not think over this most important aspect of their existence in this universe.
as far as Muslims Sikh marraiges are concerned.. Muslims are not allowed to marry a person of any other religion unless and untill he or she is converted to a Muslim.. which will be a deed of God's will, and "happiness". besides if u are practicing ur religions the marriage wont work out, coz too many things and values become different from each other.
remember...THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION WHICH IS THE RELIGION OF GOD
AND THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD TO BE WORSHIPED BY ALL, WHO CREATED EVERY THING, INCLUDING US rhonda MUSLIM AND SIKH MARRIAGES - RIGHT OR WRONG? Posted 8-2-2003 05:15
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Punjab,
I am in the US. I am interested when you say Punjab is wicked... can you explain?
Rhonda Jatti [guest] listen up.... Posted 8-2-2003 19:06
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO THE WOLVES GYALS WHO CREATED THIS POST-
i think its so wrong for a sikh kuri to marry a muslim, or a sikh guy to marry a muslim kuri. Our traditions already state that we should marry into our castes through arranged marriages. we have already disobeyed this rule by marrying out of our caste, and through love marriages. but in my eyes this can be acceptable. But we as sikhs should know where not to cross the line. we were not bought to this earth under such a strong religeon to marry into our born enemies. now i dont care what anyone has to say about my opinion, but thats where it lies. it may even be acceptable for a sikh to marry a hindu, because looking back at it, our religeon originated from hinduism, and if we dont eat meat (for example) as a mark of respect to hindus, we should also not find it offending to marry one.
I know i sound really racist, but im saying this from the same boat as you gyals. one of my really close friends was with a muslim lad for over 3years, and shes left him now because she knew she could not let her parents down by marrying him. right now-the guy she was supposed to marry is married twice in the last 1 and half years.
fair enough its gonna be hard letting go of 'the love of your life' regardless of the religeon, but i guarantee you it'll be worth it in the end. just think, by marrying this guy, she will loose both her dignity and her family. but she gets to keep both if she listens to her parents. i think respect is the main issue here. know where we sikh girls stand,its supposed to be top of the league.
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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:26:15 GMT
Punjabi [guest] Punjab is wicked Posted 8-4-2003 21:20
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rhonda,
when i say Punjab is 'wicked' it means it's the best thing on the planet. just a bit of slang used here in UK. ZEEZEE [guest] MIXED MARRIAGES Posted 8-6-2003 21:03
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. I AM A MUSLIM GUY AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH A HINDU GAL FROM WOLVES...WE GOT ON LIKE A HOUSE ON FIRE...WE WERE TOGETHER FOR ALMOST 3YRS. WE WERE DEAD SET ON MARRIAGE AND EVEN GOT ENGAGED TO EACH OTHER (WITHOUT HER PARENTS BLESSING).HOWEVER IT NEVER WORKED OUT
TO ME RELIGION DOESNT MATTER, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID IN THIS POST WE ARE ALL HUMANS. ANYWAY THIS IS MY STORY. I MET HER AND WE BECAME FRIENDS. AFTER THAT WE FELL IN LOVE, ITS HUMAN NATURE.WE BOTH DECIDED TO BE HONEST WITH OUR PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE TRUTH, AFTER ALL THEY HAVE THEIR EXPECTATIONS! WHEN WE TOLD OUR PARENTS IT WAS A CULTURE SHOCK TO THEM, MY PARENTS/FAMILY AGREED, IT TOOK TIME, HOWEVER THEY ACCEPTED MY WISHES.HER FAMILY NEVER ACCEPTED ME. NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRIED WITH THEM, THEY DIDNT WANT A MUSLIM SON IN LAW. THAT IS WHEN THE PROBLEMS STARTED. THEY THREATENED TO THROW MY HER OUT, GAVE HER AN ULTIMATUM - EITHER CHOOSE THEM OR ME! HER LIFE WAS MADE HELL, ALL HER FAMILY TURNED AGAINST HER. SHE CREID EVERY NIGHT AS SHE DINT WANT TO LOSE ME OR HER FAMILY. HOWEVER SHE COULD ONLY HAVE ONE. I COULD HAVE BEEN SELFISH AND MARRIED HER, BUT HOW WOULD SHE HAVE COPED. NEVER SEEING HER FAMILY AGAIN. ITS HARD ENOUGH FOR A GIRL TO MOVE OUT OF HER FAMILY HOME WHEN SHE GETS MARRIED, BUT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN UNBEARABLE FOR HER. SHE WOULD ONLY HAVE HAD ME AND MY FAMILY. ITS NOT ENOUGH, A GIRL NEEDS HER FAMILY NO MATTER WHAT. IMAGINE IF ME & HER HAD AN ARGUMENT 1 DAY.WHO WOULD SHE TURN FOR SUPPORT? SHE WOULD HAV HAD NOBODY. FOR 2 YEARS WE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME. SHE WAS UNDER SO MUCH STRESS. EVENTUALLY WE DECIDED TO SPLIT UP BECAUSE SHE COULDNT COPE AND SHE DIDNT WANT TO SACRIFICE HER FAMILY. IT WAS A DECISON THAT NEITHER OF US WANTED BUT WE HAD NO CHOICE. WE WERE TRULY IN LOVE BUT HAD TO SACRIFICE OUR HAPPINESS!
BACK TO THE POINT OF THIS TOPIC. IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG FR MIXED RELIGION MARRIAGES??? IM NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT OR WRONG. IF 2 PEOPLE ARE IN LOVE THEN ALL THE BEST TO THEM. HOWEVER IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT DUE TO CULTURAL ISSUES, AND MOST OF ALL IF THE PARENTS/FAMILY ARE NOT HAPPY.
IF YOU DONT HAVE THIER BLESSINGS/SUPPORT THEN 1 PARTY WILL END UP MAKING THE SACRIFICE OF LOSING FAMILY/PARENTS!
I WOULDNT RECOMMEND THAT 2 ANYONE, MY GIRLFRIEND WENT THROUGH HELL. SHE WAS AN EMOTIONAL MESS AND IF WE HAD GOT MARRIED IT WOULD HAVE SPILLED INTO THE MARRIAGE.
WE WERE BOTH HEARTBROKEN WHEN WE SPLIT UP AND TO THIS DAY I STILL LOVE HER VERY MUCH. SHE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE SPECIAL BUT MY ADVICE TO ANY GIRL/GUY OUT THERE - ONLY HAVE A MIXED MARRIAGE IF BOTH SETS OF PARENTS AGREE AND ARE HAPPY, IF NOT DONT BOTHER!
APOLOGIES FOR THE WAR AND PEACE! Jatti [guest] zee zee Posted 8-6-2003 21:56
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ur story i must say, is truly heartbreaking.and i am sorry to hear that it did not work out. u r right when u say we are all humans, therefore vulnarable to our feelings regardless of religeon, age, type or even sex. but this is my point. the only way to overcome our vulnerability is by following what our parents want and what they expext. i know it may seem old fashioned, but at the end of the day, these ppl bought u into this world, and not having their blessings before you leav them is literally a burdon for life. i know u went to hell and bak, and i can imagine cuzz i am in a 3yr relationship aswel, exept the my problem is that although he is same religeon,caste, age, we cant marry cuz both our families want arramged marriages.
but in your case, i know ur hearts said go, but im sure your minds said stop. because i bet u knew as well as she did that reality said u aint happening where marriage is concerned. i think ppl should really learn from this. and they should learn that the mind should be the right path, and not your heart.
mayb i sound like a hypocrit seeing as my relationship may not end in marriage, but there is a higher chance of it happening than one of mixed races.
zeezee i so hope youv found the right girl for you now, the one which you were made to marry. at the end of the day, every bad thing happens for the good. if you hadnt have gone through all the stuff wiv ur ex girl, i doubt ud be seeing reality as clearly as u do now. its a hard life. xxx dnt_h8 [guest] no way!! Posted 8-27-2003 16:50
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i dnt think its rite, cuz @ the end of the day, the lad mite fancy u, but @ the end of the day wot if she dnt wanna convert, his parents will give um a hard time, n sikhs will neva 4get wot the muslims have dun to sikhs in the past. our gurus died insted of convertin, n nowadays these sikhs gyals, 4get their past, n convert. basically givin in 2 the muslims, n disrespectin their parnts,themselves n sikhs on the whole. Jass Gill [guest] A Mixed Up Generation Posted 8-31-2003 02:39
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your messed up! You good honest Sikh men and women shouldnt even be having this conversation, Sikh and Muslims have never got on and never will, it is a Muslims duty by way of religon to convert someone to his or her faith, it's belived that all thier sins and wrong doings are forgiven if they can convert a so called non muslim to thier faith, they will get a one way ticket to heaven,Hindu's killed thousands in India over the assasination on Indera Ghandi,She gave the order to attack out Golden Temple, im not saying it was right for the terrorists to be in there but she could have used a little more tact, so how we see our Hindu brothers as our friends in debateable, we are the minority here and in India yet we have the stongest faith and the fairest and youngest one, we must keep it together and pass on our gurus teaching to our kids and thier kids.Our Lords didnt die in vain! Sikh and Muslim weddings don't and won't work
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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:26:48 GMT
Apni [guest] ^^damn right Posted 8-31-2003 15:28
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i agree with you all the way jass. but whats really sad is that some kuriyan just DONT GIV A F*K. theyr struttin around with anything that carries a thingy...sounds harsh but ull be amazed at how many girls are out there looking all innocent when all they can think bout is getin popped. its messed. these ppl are the ones who WILL be teaching their kids wrong. and if you look aroung u, i bet there is not even one girl that has never been into a relationship...?as for marrying out of sikhism, too many girls are livin up to the 21st century, where contraceptive, 'LOVE" and takeaways are the way of living...well they are too wrong. muslim and sikh marriages....dont get me started. it is the biggest paap to marry our born enemies. jass one thing u might not hav known- some sikhs believe that hindus r bigger trators rather then muslims...evidence??? indhira gandhi and her f*kd up mind...her son who let hindus invade punjab after his mothers death and was the cause of thousands of deaths...the indian gov't who even to this day, have not given khalistan its existant. now muslims, we have our grudges with them too, but we mustnt forget that the first stone laid on building the Golden Temple was by a muslim, before all the conflicts we incurred. he laid the stone in the same place we bow our heads to, the place our sikhs drink their Amrit, and the place known as our motherland. the point to all this???- stick to our religeon. its all about respect and dignity to your roots. Jass Gill [guest] Sikhs and the rest of them Posted 8-31-2003 23:27
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with what you say Apni but, remember what goes around comes around, All the Gandhi's that have been in power have either been filled with lead or blown to bits, as for the sikh-muslim argument, i would sit on a hot tava or hang by the neck form the tallest tree before i converted to islaim! Apni [guest] ..... Posted 9-1-2003 10:22
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yeh, i know what goes around comes around, and i believe in that saying very strongly. but again, ppl like me and u may know our principles, but to respect our principles and sikhi, we also have to understand both sides of the arguments. regardless of who we hate more, we still have to know y some things happened. i know i wouldnt marry out of my religeon for S#!t, but as sikhs we need to understand y...get me? and to be honest, i think the past is the past now, our ppl in punjab have given up on fighting for their religeon and freedom. thats really sad. dont know if you know the story behind K.P.S.Gill, but he put his job ahead of his religeon and killed all the freedom fighters in india, now he's so hated by sikhs he cant even walk out of his hour without a gun pointing at him. 4eva [guest] ?.Question.? Posted 10-9-2003 14:46
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- am muslim girl truly in love with a sikh guy. we ave been togthr for 7years. we were made for each othr. but at the end of the day we dont want to hurt our parents. we will probably get an arranged marrige. but is this fair to who we marry? can u love sum1 else but marry another.are wot we doing the rite thng? Raj [guest] Ignorant Apni Posted 10-10-2003 10:09
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apni why are you so ignorant? Remember that Sikhs were all originally Hindus ; no matter who laid the first stone in building the Golden Temple. Hindus fought with the Sikhs against the Muslims when the Gurus and Hindus were being persecuted? Also Punjab is much freer now then last decade when the Terrorists (not Sikh freedom fighters) were overruning Punjab with backup from Pakistan ISI. I know I lived during those fateful days in Punjab. I am a Sikh and we get on well with Hindus and Sikhs. It is a breath of fresh air in Punjab now. It is only Sikhs from abroad who are causing the problem. Did you know that the Sikh terrorists desecrated the Golden Temple by carrying arms and urinating and defecating within the Holy Lake at Amritsar? this was before the Armuy laid seige to it. thay had to enter to reliquinsh control of the Temple to true Sikhs. True Sikhs do not bomb and murder innoncent men, women and children. We were scared to travel on buses without wearing a turban otherwise we would be shot! All Punjab people are free now that Terrorism has gone. Remember There was a Sikh President so do not give me this Sikhs are persecuted bullS#!t. We are forging ahead in all fields in India. I suggest you "go-back" home and have a look. Punjab is a prosperous province WITHIN INDIA. It will not be if it breaks away. The true freedom fighters were the men and women who fought for Indipendence from British Rule - such as Gandhi, Bhagat Singh (he was an atheist), Nehru, Bose, Shastri, Ambedkar, Sardar Patel, Tagore, Khan, tilak etc etc. You need to brush up and get your facts right. Muslims took half of Punjab not the Hindus. Why is Islam causing trouble all over the world. Open you eyes GIRL and see the big picture. Apni [guest] ignorant? Posted 10-10-2003 11:14
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok, u make sense in some of your points, especially where you mentioned the freedom fighters, but in what sense are u calling em ignorant? is it because i am pointing out possible UNDERSTANDING of two religeons? or is it because i am not putting muslims down like they are not humans???
some of ur points were so wrong. i went to the gurudwara last sunday, and listened to a sikh man lecturing about how sikhs have 'originated by hindus'...this is the wrong attitude... guru nanak dev ji, a TEACHER who taught the rights and wrongs of living (at the time) religeons (he worked off hinduism because that was the only religeon at His time). Sikhism was born from the first letter of the Guru Granth Sahib, NEARLY 304 YEARS AGO. so it was NOT instigated by hinduism, or FORMED from hinduism, it was inspired by hinduism- OK.
"Did you know that the Sikh terrorists desecrated the Golden Temple by carrying arms and urinating and defecating within the Holy Lake at Amritsar?"..."True Sikhs do not bomb and murder innoncent men, women and children"...THESE PPL ARE THE IGNORANT ONES. i cant answer for them, but i can say that not all sikhs are like that. so these comments you made cannot represent anything cuz i didnt once say that all sikhs are perfect.
"We were scared to travel on buses without wearing a turban otherwise we would be shot!"...iv never heard of this, but i assume that these terrorists were strong (not moral) believers of sikhi, and wanted order in Punjab.
"Remember There was a Sikh President so do not give me this Sikhs are persecuted bullS#!t"...how did i imply sikhs are persecuted?
"Punjab is a prosperous province WITHIN INDIA. It will not be if it breaks away".....i agree, and i add that if it did ever break away, Punjab/Khalistan will be corrupted by caste ruling.
"Muslims took half of Punjab not the Hindus." ...BELIEVE ME, I KNOW OUR GRUDGES WITH MUSLIMS, so theres no need to tell me to fix my facts. i am not going to broadcast my opinions about this religeon cuz it aint worth it. but i respect what your saying, and im not going to insult ignorance. as sikhs we should all stick together and teach each other.
take this message as a lesson.
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Post by Punjab2000 on Feb 24, 2004 22:27:15 GMT
Raj [guest] Fools Posted 10-10-2003 12:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apni, I did not call the Freedom fighters ignorant. It is you who are ignorant. Especially if you can say the terrorists maybe had a strong believe in Sikhi. So is it OK to kill non-beared men, as well as women and children?? You complete fool. Your postings show it. Have you been to Punjab? You would not last there. If you are truly into Sikhi have you had Amrit? - I do not think you even know how to read Punjabi let alone the Granth Sahib. Like many of the people writing into this forum. Your hatred of Hindus shows you have little understanding of the origins of Hinduism. The Granth Sahib is full of verses from Hindu scriptures. Go back to Punjab and you will see vast majority of Sikhs hate the terrorsits and there is no desire for Khalistan. Or should I translate that as the "Empty Land" (HAHa)for you. Apni [guest] Raj Posted 10-10-2003 17:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ur a pretty rude guy aren't you? and i think you should get ur eyes checked too... "It is you who are ignorant. Especially if you can say the terrorists maybe had a strong believe in Sikhi." ....do u know what sikh terrorists/extremists were? they were the ppl who fought for punjab to be liberated, in that sense they are believers of the sikh religion and their country. they believe that if places like pakistan and bangladesh should have their own government, they should too. "You complete fool. Your postings show it. Have you been to Punjab? You would not last there. If you are truly into Sikhi have you had Amrit?"... one does not have to hav amrit to know their religeous background, and i did not say i was a true sikhi. i went to punjab over this summer for 5weeks...whats your point? it was a beautiful experience. "I do not think you even know how to read Punjabi let alone the Granth Sahib. Like many of the people writing into this forum."...my dad is an amrit taari.he knows the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and ive been bought up with them. ur entitled to ur opinion, but theres no need to get rude. "Your hatred of Hindus shows you have little understanding of the origins of Hinduism. The Granth Sahib is full of verses from Hindu scriptures."...where the hell did i mention i hated Hindus? i respect them like my own. "Go back to Punjab and you will see vast majority of Sikhs hate the terrorsits and there is no desire for Khalistan.".... i didnt praise terrorists raj, and the desire for khalistan died a long time ago. i really think you should read the posts before replying to them. and i also think you should keep blind comments to urself, especially when no1 has wrote/implied things youve said. pathetic. JC [guest] Apni got time to kill Posted 10-13-2003 08:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apni, Got a bee in your bonnet apni. Who cares if your dad has taken Amrit? What matters is have You? No I did not think so. sexygal [guest] marriage Posted 10-14-2003 09:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do think love is blind and all that!!! but i have a friend in a mixed marriage and they main reasons her and her partner agrue is because of culture difference, we all be bought in our culture i think this is the biggest hurdle if you pass this your pass anything. Apni [guest] JC Posted 10-17-2003 10:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Initially,I was replying to Raj's post. But to answer to your comment, i respect my dads status as an Amrit Taari, and have grown up with his knowledge, advice and teaching. And yes, i have 100% intention of taking Amrit after graduating. so what was your point??? RITZD2MC [guest] ERM ME CONFUSED 2! Posted 12-15-2003 14:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WAGWAN I'M CONFUSSED ASWELL BUT IF I WAS DA PARENT YH O.K U SHUD LET DA LUVERZ RUN FREE BUT 1 PROBLEM WOT WUD DA REST OF DA FAMILY FINK U GETZ ME ITZ ALL BOUT RESPECT PPLE WILL B TALKIN BOUT IT 4 DAYZ MAYBE YEARS U GETZ ME! BUT I DUNT AV NE PROBLEM WIT SEEK GYALZ SO BRING IT ON! LOL;) INABLITZ 4ROM RITZ I'M 4ROM LESTA/16/M Mussalman Munda [guest] Muslims & Sikhs Marrying Posted 2-12-2004 21:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I AM A MUSLIM GUY. MUSLIMS & SIKHS SHOULD NOT GET MARRIED. MUSLIMS AND SIKHS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE FRIENDS.
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Post by CRAZY k on Mar 12, 2004 10:51:18 GMT
im a muslim & i think arrange marriages r rite coz its traditon,butv on the other hand fallin in love b4er marriage is rite as well.but da only problem is family.when they find out your in love wit sum1 they dnt knw well your defonetly in da nuts.ya c me m8 is goni out wit dis guy 4 almost 3 years wit out any vof her family finding out.& her parents have already got her engaged coz she confessed dat shye loved another man & dat made da situation worse.her boyfriend knws everything so theres no worrys there hes ready 2 stick by her side.its her wedding in a month & shes confused worried & upset so i told her try fixin da family again & if it dosent work then take matters in your own hands i mean run away,& so they did when da situation got hard.& so theyre livin happyly 2gther.dats a happy ending but its not always turned out like dat ,every1 has there own opinon & people cant change each others mind!!!!& thats a fact!!!!!!!!
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Post by anonaymous on Mar 25, 2004 16:55:30 GMT
hey guys in i jus wanted 2 say.despite all the cultural differences etc.u knw the score.you know that it ay happening.a sikh n muslim gettn married is very difficult to achieve without the kirpana cumin out lolzz.
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Post by anonaymous on Mar 25, 2004 16:56:51 GMT
hey guys in i jus wanted 2 say.despite all the cultural differences etc.u knw the score.you know that it ay happening.a sikh n muslim gettn married is very difficult to achieve without the kirpana cumin out lolzz.
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Post by PUNJABAN on Apr 9, 2004 15:39:48 GMT
d**n!!!!
SIKH and MUSLIM marriages dont really go together.
in my opinion sikh and muslims marriages dont really go together due to the lack of understandment between eachother. although once a sikh is married to a muslim who might be gud as gold, but years to cum who knows what angles he could show for coverting our sikh to a muslim. seen it done (had to do a reality check twice)
so for my sikh sisters whats wrong with our buff sikh guys
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Post by the punjabi princesses on May 14, 2004 8:21:30 GMT
hey pplz, we r not goin 2 rite a whole essay, but.... we belive that forced arranged marriages are WRONG! we shouldn't have to spend d rest of our lives with a complete fresh! but that doesn't mean you have to be with a 'muslim.' there are plenty of guys out there. these days too many indian girls fall in love after meetin only 1 guy! how will you kno if u jus meet 1 guy? respect ur self, n dnt b no slag! lets clean dis world! startin wid WORLD PEACE! HANA REENA! by the way "CONTAGIOUSLY ADDICTIVE" r cumin soon. watch out gyals n guys dey r gna BLOW UP! dnt say i didnt warn u! ;D
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Post by saraiah on May 21, 2004 13:14:59 GMT
i agree with crazy k its tradition it should continue, but if love does come and take shape in life then the lovers should talk and tell their parents and hopefully agreements arise rather than arguments when a family chooses a life partner for the guy or gal love saraiah
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Post by Jaz on May 25, 2004 9:04:38 GMT
All you people are ignorant b******S!
Im a sikh guy and I love my girl who is Muslim. We've been together 2 years and even split for a while because of people like you filling my head with all this rubbish!
There will always be cases where it's not going to work, but what about the cases where it does work?
I know my parents will go mad for a long time but Im gonna stick with the girl thats made for me and I truly know that they will come around. Her parents already know and it's all cool.
You guys need to get over this hang up that every Muslim is out there to convert.
If two people are really serious about this they will spend 6 months learning about each others religion, being a part of the meeting and events an really seeing things for what they are on both sides and seeing whether they can get rid of the cultural steriotypes and bring up their children to not be biggots like you lot!
We have been given hearts and minds for a reason guys, use them!
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Post by mr bhangra on May 28, 2004 12:08:28 GMT
Erm I think you all are chattin a lot of breeze. Its fairly obvious that mixed marriages can work in most families as I have west-Indian and white aunties married to my dads brothers. We are all very close and regulary meet up. My cousins (offspring from mixed marriages)are married with their own children and religion was never an issue. Probably because they have met other white people who have found it acceptable, however one of my cousins who wants to marry a sikh girl through an arranged/love marriage is finding it impossible. Every time he finds a indian girl and they find out his mother is west indian (even though he looks like a thorough bred indian) they tell him to piss off. You judge yourself how important the parents colour/religion is for your future generation. I am telling you a fact as it is, Its not my family that are backward but no one wants their child to go into a marriage where there is a possibility of conflict. I personally would not marry a muslim because I hate with a passion the idea of having to change my belief to prove I am worthy for the love and respect of a muslim family What has love got to to with religion? In the sikh religion you can not convert but only practice, thus the sikh belief if you can not stay faithfull to your own religion, how are you going to stay faithfull to anothers?
"line commented out by Punjab2000 - please note no Religious comments / views against any religion should be posted on this message board "
My advise to sikhs is your brain was made for thinking and your legs were made for walking, combine the two and you will go a long way. peace ;D
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Post by Kiran on Jun 7, 2004 15:42:40 GMT
I dont think there should be any diffrences sikhs have casts but Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not create casts we are equal its the community and who cares what you do yeah your parents will be vexed but giv them time all of this causes people 2 b angry but they might get over it y not give it a try... ..Muslims and Sikhs are all equal whether your blak or white.. :-)
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Post by Jaan on Jun 12, 2004 13:42:40 GMT
Try this one out, I am married to a man I detest, I got caught with the man I loved. I hate my life but have to stick with it, why because that is how life is . Marriage is bullS#!t we are all better off without the commitment and pressure weighing us down
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Post by gs khasria on Jun 24, 2004 12:32:40 GMT
hello everyone opinion from my side marriage between sikh and muslimm is not perfect. dont take this RISK..............
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Post by Sophie on Jun 24, 2004 14:54:44 GMT
I was just browsing through the site,thinking that it's great that somebody's made such an effort to provide us with a good service. I didn't realise that some very low people actually resort to narrowminded religion bashing. Ok living in the north of the country has made me immune to 'Paki bashing', but our own fellow people are here spreading uninformed slander venom. Actually i'll tell you of a 'very' practising sikh elder who went out of his way to help his adopted sister. This muslim woman,in her sixties,was left penniless after the death of her husband.His will had somehow been manipulated to benefit his children from his previous marriage and and all entitlement of the property and other assets were handed to them.This 'Moo bola bhai' than acted for her better than her own blood,her own religion.While transfering her to a local council estate,he ensured she wasn't put into care and fought a long legal battle on her behalf.Supporting himself through his corner shop earnings.She won her case and repayed every penny to her 'brother'. I bet most of you who read this will think yeah whatever.But my point is that every sikh and muslim are not blood enemies so chill.Assuming that some of you are from well read well educated families and live in great areas, how suprising! Shame on you! Seems like this 'Stokie' who the government actually labels inferior in capability and achievement than you well bred people has a higher I.Q and more human qualities that facilitate my broader understanding of the diversity of gods creation. As for punjab2000, il make sure that im one person who never visits this site again.Your implementation of 'rules' is feeble.
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Post by Punjab2000 on Jun 26, 2004 7:16:42 GMT
Dear Sophie,
This message board is for you & anyone else who wishes to use it to share life experiences and this particular topic had been started on our old message board by various visitors. It has received many posts and continues to be active.
Any offensive posts that the moderators pick up are deleted and only "sensible" posts are left, such as yours.
People need to know what is happening "out there" and this message board is a vehicle for this.
In your message you say "spreading uninformed slander venom." can you please point us to this on the message board and we can access your complaint.
As far as we can see you have responded to the following messages --------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Jaan Posted on: Jun 12th, 2004, 08:42am Try this one out, I am married to a man I detest, I got caught with the man I loved. I hate my life but have to stick with it, why because that is how life is . Marriage is bullnuts we are all better off without the commitment and pressure weighing us down ---------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: gs khasria Posted on: Jun 24th, 2004, 07:32am hello everyone opinion from my side marriage between sikh and muslimm is not perfect. dont take this RISK..............
--------------------------------------------------------- Both the above are not "religion bashing." or "uninformed slander venom" they are experiences of those people.
Our Message is you is not to use the message to post abusive posts (which has been edited) but to make postive comments and stand by them to allow for a proper online debate.
Regards Punjab2000
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Post by sira on Jun 29, 2004 14:45:09 GMT
hey guys in i jus wanted 2 say.despite all the cultural differences etc.u knw the score.you know that it ay happening.a sikh n muslim gettn married is very difficult to achieve without the kirpana cumin out lolzz. i dnt see the prblm muslim n sekies gettin married if u luv sum 1 u cant leave them coz religion sed so luv is sumting every1 does and is not easy 2 let go.
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Post by SOPHIE WALSALL on Sept 16, 2004 13:52:48 GMT
IF U LUV T GUY MARRY HIM!
COZ UNTIL U DO THAT U HEART WILL NVR SETTLE WITH ANY1 ELSE.
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Post by SONIA on Sept 16, 2004 14:01:34 GMT
I RECKON U SHOULD THINK CAREFULLY COZ IT IS A BIGGGGGG RIK U WILL BE TAKIN, IF U DONT HAVE UR FAMILIES BLESSIN
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Post by Kim on Sept 17, 2004 19:06:15 GMT
ppl, personalli i fink tht ppl need to sumtimes worry about their own lives, and nt their parents, becoz surely if ur parents luv u as much as they shud, their onli concern shud be u being happi, nt who ur wiv, as long as the partner is honest any normal parent shudnt be botherd about race. Personalli i cud neva picture maself marryin anything but a sikh, bt the bottom line is, its nt wt i go lukin for, becoz thas weird
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Post by muslim on Oct 12, 2004 10:12:49 GMT
dont mess cuase you have to regret for your life
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Post by amriksingh on Oct 21, 2004 14:15:35 GMT
I disgree with a mixed marriages, it geos against the 52 hukam of guru gobind singh ji, plus it confuses the future kids ............there other reasons aswell, but ill leave it at that
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