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Post by taz n ripz on Jan 23, 2005 21:36:09 GMT
u geek! u agrree wit summan?? gd 4 ya! sowwi, were jus bored!
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Post by xxkhanxx on Feb 2, 2005 14:13:34 GMT
hey peepz... owz it goin?? wot av gt 2 say iz dat itz up 2 da person hu eva dey wana gt married 2 n if ur a muslim n de otha iz sikh i fink dey shud convert 2 a muslim man seriousli.. u sikhz yh dnt take it offensive yh sfe... big up 2 al da PAKIZ out der!! ALISHA
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Post by Tiger on Feb 2, 2005 14:26:30 GMT
u wot sikh convert to muslim u wish!!!!!, whats wrong with muslims converting to sikh eh??? or even better stil hu says you have to convert, it up to the people hu wana get hitched yeh get married shud be up to them what they wana do...! we shudnt be dictating what people shud and shudnt do yeh...!
peace!!!!
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Post by bummtingzz on Feb 2, 2005 20:00:28 GMT
nah u dnt have to get ur partner to convert if ur a muslim... if they want to den datz aitee... bt wat Islam says is dat if u do marry sum1 hu int a muslim den itz all gud as long as u bring ur children up as muslimzz.
has ne1 herd of/know ne muslimz dat hav converted to utha religionz??? juz realised i neva herd ov dat hapnin
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Post by Tiger on Feb 3, 2005 15:52:11 GMT
Bummtingz, listen yeh i dont agree wiv you at all when you say if you do marry sumone u shud bring your kids up as muslim they shud hav the rite to choose wot religion they want they need guiding. your on bout wot islam is saying what about what sikhism is saying yeh about religion, theres nuffin stopping them being taught bout both religion and when they are old enuf can make the decision them selfs.
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Post by bummtingz on Feb 3, 2005 15:58:16 GMT
i dont agree wit dat eitha... am juz sayn datz wat islam sayz (well datz wat i read)
which is why i wrote "what islam says..." not "what i fink" it wasnty an opinion... was juz statin a fact
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Post by xxkhanxx on Feb 4, 2005 12:05:14 GMT
wel i tell u summat yh ma unclez gf convertd 2 a muslim n she waz a sikh..
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Post by bham da jatt on Feb 4, 2005 18:50:55 GMT
interesting topic here...
firstly i think what bummtingzz said is right, i think it does say in Islam that u must raise ur kinds into Islam, n yes alisha u did say thats what u think is said n not that its ur opinion.
n yes i think i agree with u again that there r probably more cases where sikhs have converted into islam rather than muslims converting into sikhi. n if u want me to b honest i think the reason for that is that ur parents generation has raised u, in general, better than sikh parents' generation. n i really respect muslims for that. obviously im generalisin here n there r some muslims bought up in an awful way as there r some sikhs bought up really well.
u see the convo between bummtingzz n tiger clearly shows exactly what the problem is with muslim & sikh marriages. assume tiger (sikh male) n bummtingzz (muslim female) were to get married {im jus using an example btw, so plz dont get upset}, anyway using that example, u 2 already cant decide whats gonna happen to ur kids. so as i mentioned in the other topic, even if u can fight all the society pressures in gettin married out of religion, its really hard to be able to pass those very barriers when it comes to ur kids.
n as for alisha - im sorry hun but u need to grow up!!
luv to all, raaj x
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Post by bummtingzz on Feb 4, 2005 19:36:23 GMT
bham da jatt...
u gt mur sense dan all da boyz i no put tgethaa...
dnt no u but gt soo much respect fr u
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Post by bham da jatt on Feb 4, 2005 20:11:21 GMT
thanks bummtingzz, like i said quite some time ago, its all a matter of opinion, u may agree with mine, some will totally oppose mine.
i would b interested in hearing any1 whose differs from my, i quite like a challenge.
but seriously though, i think lots of us (our generation) say well if u love her enough then ud do it, its all a lot of crap though. ok revealin more about myself, well my best mate ive known for 11 years in muslim n my ex a muslim too. yes some of u may say "ur such a hypocryte, but im not sayin what i did was right.
she was like my best friend, we knew each other for years before it all happened, n then...it jus happened. but no matter how much u love her or him for girls, u can never put ur love above ur parents izzat. its been 23 months since ive broken up with her, n i can still say that she'll always be in a place in my heart that no1 else could take. as i said b4, im sure that doesnt mean i wont love again, she still says that ive got enough love to make sure no girl will ever complain, n i hope thats tru...
nice to have a chat bummtingzz, all the best x
anyway take care all, raaj x
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Post by Desi Tiger on Feb 4, 2005 21:33:17 GMT
Bham da jatt and bummtingz i understand where you lot r coming from lik you sed it a matter of opinion i mean everyone entitled to one yeh i was stating that yeh, i mean i no what bummtingz was sayin you sed you wher stating facts that you read up thats fine man i jus thought that in my opinion i hear of people converting to muslim from other religios thats rellly up to them not that i hav a problem with that at all i hav repect for a lota people even people i dont no but wen it cums to arrange marriages things can get messy if it mixed i.e sikh and muslim, as jat was saying your example yeh i just recon that if thats going to happen do you hav kids y not teach them the ways of both religions, i dont think it shud b that they are taught one mor then the other or jus one altogether, im proud to be a singh, proud to be sikh i aint that religious but if it came to that then i would deal with it at the time no point in saying sumting now and then wen it happens going bak on what you say because you change your mind.
repect you all nuff though ezzy!
peace
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Post by bham da jatt on Feb 5, 2005 12:14:51 GMT
tiger
im not sayin ur wrong, i think ur totally right, if in an islamic-sikh marriage, when u have kids, i think yes ur right, u should teach ur kids bit about both religions, n actually not ask them to make a choice, but let them participate in both, so no i dont think ur wrong there.
however, lets b honest with ourselves: if i got married to my ex (a muslim) we had kids, no matter how much im into all religions ie i feel i have a fair knowledge about most religions; obviously sikhi n also know lot about islam....i would still talk to my children about sikhi more, n probably eventually only about sikhi, cuz i think id like my kids to grow up as sikhs not muslims.
n i dont think id b wrong to say that, im really into sikhi n even for a person who is not, its just natural instinct to want ur kids growin up in the same religion as u, u cant change that.
so if i promote sikhi to my kids, my wife promotes islam to my kids, 1 day its eventually gonna turn out to a scrap, where i wont like her promotin islam n she wont like me promoting sikhi....
hence, i feel that muslim - sikh marriages r very difficult to work out, for religious ppl more but even for ppl who dont care about the religion at all.
love 2 u all x
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Post by ~*~rezy~*~ on Feb 22, 2005 20:48:15 GMT
in my opinion religion don't realy matta! if u lov da person nuttin shud get in da way of ur lov!! i wish everyone wasn't so boverd about wat religion da person is....
if i eva gt married 2 a sikh bloke ma mum wud probably kill me! lets hpe religoin isn't an issue in da future! peace! xxx ;D
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Post by bham da jatt on Feb 22, 2005 22:51:31 GMT
umm...somethin with disagree on hun lol.
so if we r allowed to marry out of religion, let's stick to the title give; muslim n sikh marriages, then what will the kids be called? muslim or sikh? what religion will they follow, one, the other or try n follow both?
its fine to say "as long as there's love, go for it" but u have to look at the future too hun. marriage is not a short term thing, hopefully its a commitement for life...
bham da jatt x
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Post by ~*~rezy~*~ on Feb 25, 2005 23:03:25 GMT
bham da jatt i get where ur cumin frm brO! but wat i mean is dat in MY OPINION religoin really isn't an issue! but i do undastand dat u hve 2 look out 2 da future n ur kidz! but i really wish religion wasn't a problem!!!
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Post by lOnDOn DI bUff kUri on Feb 26, 2005 15:28:22 GMT
nO MATtEr WaT U say Or hoW U tHinK bArRiErS ExISt bEtWeen MuSLims ANd SIKhS... And Will bE FOr a VeRrRyYy lOnGgG time... so jUs ALlLoW GoiN ouT wIt sum1 U kNo Ur FamILy wud Hate u BeInG wiTH... tRuSt me ItS lONg, SaVe Ur seLf FrOM A BrokEN hEaRt N a hElL LoTTa pAiN, IN FinD sUm1 DaT ShAREs Ur ROOOtS.... sImPLe As!
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Post by someone on Feb 26, 2005 15:40:21 GMT
u sikhs are thick S#!ts really for any of u religion is no issue since u believe all religions lead to god hmm why are muslims ur enemy since ur religion cums from islam and hinduism.
AND to the muslim gyals who are dating ur even worse man go get sum self respect and dignity, u flippin despos
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Post by xxkhanxx on Feb 26, 2005 16:49:54 GMT
listn "bham da jatt"-raaj yh i dnt need 2 grow up cuz i am actin ma age... >:(derz no point givin me brief yh i juz sed sikhz cud convert 2 a muslim lyk ma unclez gf did so fukin take it eazzy bro..
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Post by london di buff kuri on Mar 1, 2005 13:39:39 GMT
u sikhs are thick nutss really for any of u religion is no issue since u believe all religions lead to god hmm why are muslims ur enemy since ur religion cums from islam and hinduism. AND to the muslim gyals who are dating ur even worse man go get sum self respect and dignity, u flippin despos erm nah man, u ain't no one to dictate others life, or how they live it, as they say u cant help who u fall for, but its better to end in early stages, cos erm aint worth is it: n gals y go for muslim guys: nuff buff SIKH: HINDU: HINDU PUNJABI guys out deir!! RAJ KAREGA KHALSA....
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Post by fantasy on Mar 1, 2005 20:41:09 GMT
yep yep i agree n im a muslim.well half but it dont make a diffrence to me!!!
but i do admit dat sikhs do no how to treat der gyals i no muslims n isit jus me or do dey treat em like crap!!!!
id neva go out wid a sikh tho...id like2...but i no i cud fall in love wiv em n it wud b 2ooooo complicated n wudnt want to go against ma famliy!!!!getme.but der wikid!!!
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Post by muslim munda on Mar 1, 2005 20:47:58 GMT
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Post by fantasy on Mar 1, 2005 21:54:57 GMT
IM SORIIIIII BUT RLY ITS A SHAME TO SAY..BUT DEY DO....ACTUALY HAHA UNLESS ITS DA 1S INO!!!!I LOVE MUSLIMS N MY RELIGION..BUT DEY JUS NEED TO LEARN A FEW TINGS!!!!SORI IF I AFFENDED U!!!!
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 2, 2005 22:57:28 GMT
hey, lets not get away from the topic all.
how do muslim n sikh guys treat girls is a different thing. im sure there is a mixed batch of them all, its down to the individual. i would say however that in Sikhi, there is a lot of significance given in equality. women r treated at an equal level with respect to the religion in all shapes n forms.
questioning the topic; i do think muslim n sikh marriages r wrong. the society is certainly not ready for that, not yet anyway...
bham da jatt x
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Post by fantasy on Mar 3, 2005 22:05:42 GMT
IN ISLAM IT SAYS MARRY WHO YOU WNT ASLONG AS THERE THE SAME RELIGION!!!
IT WUD BE TO COMPLICATED THO11!THINK BT UR KIDS WHAT RELIGION WUD THEY BE??? MUSLIDIAN??
NO!!N DEY CNT GET UP ONE MORNIN READ DA QURAN N DEY SAY IM GOIN TO DA GUDWARA!!!DEY JUS CARNT!!!
N THERE TO DIFFRNT RELIGIONS ALL TO GEVA BLVIN IN DIFFRENT THING WIV DIFFRENT VEIWS N ITS UP2U TO CHOOSE 1!!!NT BOTH!!!
N I THINK ITS FUKIN CRAZI IF UR WILLIN TO CONVERT TO UR PARTNERS RELIGION!!!RELIGION IS WT U ARE N WT UR BORN WIV!!!UR BELIEFS U HAVE IN LIFE CUM FROM UR RELIGION...U CNT JUS CHANGE ALL DAT FOR A NEW RELIGION!!!
DAS LIKE DA WHOOOOOOLLLLE TIME UVE BIN ALIVE N LIVIN HAS BIN A WASTE OF TIME!!!!
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 3, 2005 22:11:13 GMT
i do agree with u fantasy.
religion is something ur born in. however i also feel that a religion should b ur belief! n ur belief should b ur belief cuz its ur belief not cuz ur relgion believes in it, do i make sence?
but yes, when u have kids too....not worth gettin married out of religion!
bham da jatt x
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