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Post by tac on Dec 8, 2007 0:02:16 GMT
i still believe running away is a cowards way out. You should stay and face the problems...if they still dont agree, and the really are ''bad'', then at least walk away with the dignity of facing your problems head on, rather than running away thinking problems just suddenly dissappear. People who commit suicide are even bigger cowards than those who run away. i agree with wot ur sayin but i dnt understand this whole coward business..not everyone is strong enuff to stand tall n fight for their beliefs or wot not, people may like to think they are but sometimes its jus better to forget n get over it.. suicide may b the cowards way out but u sud look at the reasons to why someone wud do such a thing, yes its cowardly but if ppl kno someone is in trouble n isnt helping them, isnt tht more cowardly? people do things for reasons. the whole running away thing whic is kinda draggin on, i can understand that, same as u its happened in my family n its sad to see how people can keep grudges but some people are jus stubborn n everyone comes to their senses in their own time. ye sure stay and fight for ur right but in my view it depends on 1 - the people 2 - the circumstance.. sometimes u can spend forever arguing and tryin to put ur point of view across with no outcome. if this were to ever happen to me id say my point, negotiate or atleast try to n move on. family is such a touchy issue.
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 8, 2007 0:02:33 GMT
good...the whole idea behind my post was to excavate this piece of information from you. Less competition for me. Rabb tenu sukh rakhey.....
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Post by ammo on Dec 8, 2007 0:45:26 GMT
i still believe running away is a cowards way out. You should stay and face the problems...if they still dont agree, and the really are ''bad'', then at least walk away with the dignity of facing your problems head on, rather than running away thinking problems just suddenly dissappear. People who commit suicide are even bigger cowards than those who run away. i agree with wot ur sayin but i dnt understand this whole coward business..not everyone is strong enuff to stand tall n fight for their beliefs or wot not, people may like to think they are but sometimes its jus better to forget n get over it.. suicide may b the cowards way out but u sud look at the reasons to why someone wud do such a thing, yes its cowardly but if ppl kno someone is in trouble n isnt helping them, isnt tht more cowardly? people do things for reasons. the whole running away thing whic is kinda draggin on, i can understand that, same as u its happened in my family n its sad to see how people can keep grudges but some people are jus stubborn n everyone comes to their senses in their own time. ye sure stay and fight for ur right but in my view it depends on 1 - the people 2 - the circumstance.. sometimes u can spend forever arguing and tryin to put ur point of view across with no outcome. if this were to ever happen to me id say my point, negotiate or atleast try to n move on. family is such a touchy issue. The weird thing is i nderstand everything youre saying...and in a way appreciate that point of view. I know i use the word coward alot.... i guess i have a bit of a mental block in that area. I cant actually comprehend how someone couldnt have the strenght o fight. It may be the way i was brought up...but in major decisions i cant see how to not have strenght...sure have emotions....its human.....but to actually take the easy way out and thinking itll all dissappear....i cant understand it....I cant understand how someone cannot have the strength to stand up a fight for what you believe.... i believe you just get up and do it because you have to. Geez....I hope im putting my point over in and understandable way.
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Post by _*!Mysterious__Munda!*_ on Dec 8, 2007 0:48:56 GMT
dont ever go against your parents, they've the ones who have brought you up, jus imagine your own child going thru the same phase, n your own child going agaisnt you n leaving you in such a state.. you woudent like it either would do! u gota think in 2 minds not jus 1, how to keep the family n ''the other half happy'' to but id still say family comes 1st..then any bf/gf.. which uve only know for a few years!
^^maybe sum1s said that b4.. but thats whats trueeeeeeeeee!
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Post by ammo on Dec 8, 2007 1:27:58 GMT
dont ever go against your parents, they've the ones who have brought you up, jus imagine your own child going thru the same phase, n your own child going agaisnt you n leaving you in such a state.. you woudent like it either would do! u gota think in 2 minds not jus 1, how to keep the family n ''the other half happy'' to but id still say family comes 1st..then any bf/gf.. which uve only know for a few years! ^^maybe sum1s said that b4.. but thats whats trueeeeeeeeee! exactly what ive been saying!!!!!
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 8, 2007 3:41:46 GMT
fact is fact: The only reason you are in this world is cuz your parents were looking for a good time.....
so..that "i owe them my life cuz they had me"....argument is bs....the reason why they bring u up is cuz
a) the state requires it
b) ur their insurance policy for the future, the favor is expected to be returned with interest
c) we are biologically preprogrammed to increase the frequency of our genotype within the pool of alleles in the gene pool
this is all stuff carried ovendr from the old hinduism days...sikhiism teaches us to treat everyone based on their merits as individuals and age or relationship has no value in our religeon. If your parents are great and reasonable people then honor them..if they command you to marry someone within your own caste...then they are out of line
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Post by ammo on Dec 8, 2007 16:02:27 GMT
fact is fact: The only reason you are in this world is cuz your parents were looking for a good time..... so..that "i owe them my life cuz they had me"....argument is bs....the reason why they bring u up is cuz a) the state requires it b) ur their insurance policy for the future, the favor is expected to be returned with interest c) we are biologically preprogrammed to increase the frequency of our genotype within the pool of alleles in the gene pool this is all stuff carried ovendr from the old hinduism days...sikhiism teaches us to treat everyone based on their merits as individuals and age or relationship has no value in our religeon. If your parents are great and reasonable people then honor them..if they command you to marry someone within your own caste...then they are out of line im gonna have to destroy your B.S with three letters. I.V.F. If parents were looking for a good time why does this happen eh? Tell me that!
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Post by tac on Dec 8, 2007 17:16:42 GMT
ahahaha ammos got u there humans have kids for loads of reasons.. ''fact is fact: The only reason you are in this world is cuz your parents were looking for a good time....'' < this is crap. why do gay ppl want kids then? for a good time? i dnt think so its prob genetic our need to love n care for lil babies n plus some straight couples dnt hav kids.. n nowadays u can hav ur good time or wot not...say hello to contraception my son..
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 8, 2007 19:57:33 GMT
im not really against the parents either...im against those kids who live by the "honor thy mother and thy father" philosophy...fine....if thats what you believe..but those are the kids who are allways looking for a fling before marriage....some of us are more into honor god...and god comes before parents or anything else on this planet...in fact..the argument im making it is that the kids who value good relationships as god's gift to humans are more conservative and "sidhey saadhey" then the chalu kids who are lookin for secret flings before getting merried away in india....make sense?
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Post by ammo on Dec 9, 2007 6:02:01 GMT
not really. Because I honour my mother and father....i also honour god...i also dont have flings...im as sidhi sadthi as can be found. So please tell me how i fit into your model!
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 9, 2007 17:46:05 GMT
this is some deep, deep discussion.
thanks for creating this thread ragomc.
you see what youve done?!!
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Post by _*!Mysterious__Munda!*_ on Dec 9, 2007 22:28:25 GMT
not really. Because I honour my mother and father....i also honour god...i also dont have flings...im as sidhi sadthi as can be found. So please tell me how i fit into your model! ^^exalt! good points made! how it should be!
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Post by 56 on Dec 10, 2007 10:10:23 GMT
WTF? This opinions suck like a lollypop! I agree with _*!Mysterious__Munda!*_ and ammothegreen! FAMILY COMES FIRST! FAMILY ARE EVERYTHING! At the end of it all....it's your family who are going to be there for you!
As for punjabinkarperated, you just chat so much S#!t, I think you should be banned or something! Go have a wank!
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Post by 56 on Dec 10, 2007 12:29:50 GMT
I have noticed with Indian familes, unsure how they are in your culture, maybe you can tell me! But I have found nowadays it is all shock and they parents soon come around!
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 10, 2007 17:51:44 GMT
god comes first...families come second....I dont knwo what religeon you folks are but in our religeon
moh=attachment is a sin.....
if your family doesnt like the person you in love with and their is no logical reason behind it....then its a sin to throw them out cuz your family...period....i dont care what parents approve or disapprove I care about what would god prefer...and whats morally right
as far as banning me....perhaps you can have ur parents call p2k ....u run to them for everythign else
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Post by ammo on Dec 10, 2007 19:56:27 GMT
I disagree. God gave me to my family. He also gave them to me. Therefore they are my responsibility to care for and honour, as i am theirs. To go against your families and parents wishes is to disrespect them...and since god gave them to me....im assuming he meant for me and them to stick together....rather than some (in my case it would be) kuri, who arrived on the scene long after.
So using step by step analysis....it would be going against god wishes to go against my parents...to whom he gave me from birth.....rather than against a girl who i would have known later in life.
And yeah Ghost i agree...this is going propa deep now ;-)
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Post by ammo on Dec 10, 2007 20:00:42 GMT
Oh....and as for you startin on lil Ms Twinkle. Sikhi is based on family.....so id rather she..and anyone else for that matter....ran to their parents....rather than become an 'independant Tuti' (ahem...not naming anyone in particular ;-) ...lolz)
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Post by ammo on Dec 10, 2007 20:02:35 GMT
( I know the spellings wrong....i typed T.u.t.t.i but for some reason it must have tried to translate automatically into nuts..lol)
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Post by tac on Dec 10, 2007 20:13:30 GMT
I disagree. God gave me to my family. He also gave them to me. Therefore they are my responsibility to care for and honour, as i am theirs. To go against your families and parents wishes is to disrespect them...and since god gave them to me....im assuming he meant for me and them to stick together....rather than some (in my case it would be) kuri, who arrived on the scene long after. fair enuff u disagree right but ur sayin all this cuz ur experience with ur family is a positive one, u cant expect someone to say the same stuff u do wen they hav had a negative experience with their family. i agree with some aspects of wot punjabinkaperated is saying. but u guys need to think about the other ppl who hav difference views n b more considerate. u cant look at other ppl who dnt put their family first in disgust its not right look at the bloody circumstance. if ur parents treat u like S#!t whic believe me some do u cant expect tht person to b 'ooo ye i love my mummy n daddy' bla bla... the way i view myslf in the word is tht im alone n woteva i do is for my benefit or disadvantage i came into this world alone im gna die alone im the one thts gna face god wen i die so i sud do wot i think is right to be honest i dnt giv 2 S#!tes about this honour crap....most of the time ppl jus put on fronts n pretend to b all perfect. ive got flaws i kno, why sud i hide them to please my daddi or masi from slough..it dnt make no sense to me.. its all about society..oo lets make our family look good n all tht malarkey whic i dnt agree with one tiny bit. Theres nothing wrong with being independent Theres nothing wrong with loving ur family But for fuk sake open ur minds n think about the other S#!te tht goes on in the word, thers parents who kill their kids n abuse em, thers parents who kick there kids out thers parents our there who dnt giv 2 S#!tes. But thers also kids who kill their own parents…thts the world aint it.. So if someone comes up2 u n doesn’t ‘big up’ their family dnt strt lecturing em n goin tht dude/dudette has no respect etc etc S#!te happens..atleast make an effort to understand wot made tht person hav such an opinion… why the hell does it feel like no1 gets my point of view..
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 10, 2007 21:59:28 GMT
I agree with tac completely...I love my parents...they happen to be very open minded....and they know if they tried to force me to do soemthing immoral or wrong that i would oppose it and they respect that part of me. But some people are not so lucky, my last girl's dad was beating her up mercilessly cuz he suspected she was with me. What do you say he found wrong with me, nothign except he wanted someone from back home/the pind for her. Not only that, but he was threateing to kill her, himself and their whole family over it and had guns on hand at all times to do it....you are telling me that someone like that diserves honour and respect...hell no...honour and respect are earned and age means nothing. Goto germany ull see alotta ol people who committed atrocities during the second world war...u think we should all sit around and honor them cuz their too old and feeble to caues any harm....a creep is a creep....morals mean everythign..and at the end of the day god is your only family and friend and you have to be answerable to "it", right tac
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Post by 56 on Dec 11, 2007 9:33:28 GMT
perhaps you can have ur parents call p2k ....u run to them for everythign else I don’t want to read any further of yours and Tac’s bullS#!t dumb opinions! Let’s agree to disagree! I don’t come on this site to take anything seriously that’s why I stay in the mixed general area! But the comment you made above, who the f**k do you think you are? Some twat who sits on here posting 24/7 with no life? How the f**k dare you judge me on a few lines I have posted on an internet site? Some people are blessed to have 2 parents in their lives…people like you abuse that and take it for granted, others like me have one parent, a single mother who just about struggled to raise me! I don’t f**king do what you said! In fact you know nothing about me, if you did know, like everyone else who does know me…I take care of her, unlike a pussy man like you, I bet your parents buy you everything and you don’t even realise who much S#!t they do for you! So next time you decide to f**king try and act like some bad man internet cyber thingy, f**king think! f**king pussy, go f**k your mum! You have seriously wound me up! What gives you the right to say that! Eeeuukkk people like you only make me sick! I’m not even going to bother reading anything you and Tac have posted prior to this post! Wtf….idiots! As for what you said about god, I try and take my religion seriously, however, I drink and cut my hair, and be a bad girl so why on earth like you, must I live my life being a hypocrite and put god first!?! Why? When like most others, I don’t happen to be following my religion at this point in my life! Now go f**k off…loser, you must be ugly, I can tell by the way you type!
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Post by tac on Dec 11, 2007 22:28:17 GMT
I don’t want to read any further of yours and Tac’s bullS#!t dumb opinions! Let’s agree to disagree! I don’t come on this site to take anything seriously that’s why I stay in the mixed general area! But the comment you made above, who the f**k do you think you are? Some twat who sits on here posting 24/7 with no life? How the f**k dare you judge me on a few lines I have posted on an internet site? Some people are blessed to have 2 parents in their lives…people like you abuse that and take it for granted, others like me have one parent, a single mother who just about struggled to raise me! I don’t f**king do what you said! In fact you know nothing about me, if you did know, like everyone else who does know me…I take care of her, unlike a pussy man like you, I bet your parents buy you everything and you don’t even realise who much S#!t they do for you! So next time you decide to f**king try and act like some bad man internet cyber thingy, f**king think! f**king pussy, go f**k your mum! You have seriously wound me up! What gives you the right to say that! Eeeuukkk people like you only make me sick! I’m not even going to bother reading anything you and Tac have posted prior to this post! Wtf….idiots! As for what you said about god, I try and take my religion seriously, however, I drink and cut my hair, and be a bad girl so why on earth like you, must I live my life being a hypocrite and put god first!?! Why? When like most others, I don’t happen to be following my religion at this point in my life! Now go f**k off…loser, you must be ugly, I can tell by the way you type! You need to know that not everyone u meet in ur life will agree with ur opinions so the least u can do is show some respect to wot other ppl hav to say n if u wana respond to tht then u do in a polite manner n not say ‘bullS#!t dumb opinions’ and call those tht hav different opinions ‘idiots’ If u dnt come here to take anything seriously then u sudnt even bother replyin in a thread which is serious. So dnt u think u sud stick to ur mixed general area Obviously punjabinkaperated doesn’t kno u n hes jus sum cyber person, so wot he says sudnt really affect u. n u sudnt take him seriously..and definitely not respond involving personal appearance. And u need to stop making silly childish assumptions tht everyone is born into a perfect lil family who does everythin for them. YOU respect ur mum so good on u, can u please stop being so narrow-minded n atleast hear wot ppl hav to say and ur jus judging punjabinkarpertated like he judged u.. And seriously grow up, saying S#!te like “go f**k your mum!” is jus stupid. If u respect ur mum n lecture others on not honouring their parents then dnt say stupid stuff like tht. If someone sed tht to u ud prob go off on one THE WHOLE POINT OF DEBATING IS TO PUT UR OPINIONS ACROSS AND RESPECT WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY which from ur reply we can see tht u cant do so I dnt think tht u sud really bother Also, please stop taking everything everyone says too seriously people are allowed to and do talk in general terms. What punjabinkarperated sed about god and family may not b for u as ur not following ur religion right now, he was jus sharing his opinion so bloody get over it n if ur gna debate u dnt need to b so aggressive thers ways to do stuff n if u really wana b taken seriously then dnt get ‘wound up’ Parents shape their children right? Parents teach their children manners and so on right? So u typing stuff like: ‘Now go f**k off…loser, you must be ugly, I can tell by the way you type!’’ jus gives randoms like me an insight into ur upbringing? OH YEA n cuz im an ‘idiot’ and hav a ‘bullS#!t opinion’ u probably wudnt even bother reading this cuz the way u think is bloody awesome..
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Post by punjabinkarperated on Dec 11, 2007 22:56:24 GMT
I feel very strongly about this issue because their is alotta abuse that goes on in the name of honour, caste, etc. and I've personally been involved in it way too many times. Again, I have no issues with someone who has devoted their life to doing whatever their parents wish, right or wrong, however, then you must assume that it is wrong to involve other people in your life and you should be content with simply flying off to india and merrying the first person your parents point to and untill then stop befriending people of opposite gender alltogether.
I am not going to resort to the type of language you are using because I do not wish to dissapoint mrs nelson, my 5th grade teacher, I may be annoying and I may get under people's skin but I dont resort to four letter words when addressing others, personally I think its a sign of laziness.
I dont think youve noticed but im not really here to converse with you, I view myself as a pencil, and this forum as a sharpner, it helps me keep the mind sharp. I dont particularly care what anyone thinks about my posts, I'm not obsessed with winning popularity contests, soon as you realize that in life you should only please yourself you'll be better off for it. You could have simply asked me to cuss myself out and I would have obliged.
Everyone has problems, me and my family suffered through severe poverty when I was little. That's no reason to lash out at others for me not having the trendiest stuff. Looking back, im thankfull that god made me go thru that stage of my life if I had grown up with a silver spoon I would have missed out on that journey that makes me who I am, and I love who I am.
I just checked in the mirror, you're right, I am ugly, I guess well have to cancel our night out.
Like, tac said, this is a debate, you make your point, let the other people respond and then counter point based on their response. Their is no room for emotions in debates.
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Post by ammo on Dec 12, 2007 1:56:20 GMT
Wow twinkle ....calm down. Thats goin a step too far....dont get personal. Agree to disagree...fine....but dont attack...thats wrong.
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Post by ammo on Dec 12, 2007 1:59:44 GMT
To both Tac and Punjabinkarperated........to a small extent i agree with your points.....a small extent. I still believe tht parents desrve respect etc.....but i take on your point about abusive and manipulative parents. These types of parents deserve no respect at all. So yeah tac, it is pretty much based on circumstances like you said. But any PROPER parent is desrving of full respect!
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