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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 15, 2005 16:43:38 GMT
ritz...yes all everyone is different and should b judged on their own qualities and abilities.
as i said ages ago there r plenty of asian slags out there as well as plenty of decent white girls and vice-versa.
take care
bham da jatt x
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 15, 2005 16:48:59 GMT
sharon, u want me to tell u what i say about that?
well frankly i dont care if some1 has dated some gori for 4.5 years if he's gonna get married to her, then fair play. but the bottom line is i will always look at that couple as if they've done something wrong. thats the way ive been bought up as well as most other asians.
u answer me one question....what r their kids going to be called? are they going to be going to a Mosque/Gurdwara/Mandir or a church? are they Christians or whatever religion u belong to?
also answer my other question; is every1 is ur relatives and family gonna b happy with this marriage?
marriage is NOT between 2 individuals but in between 2 familes. when u have a function at ur house n ur bros in-laws come over, do u think they will be able to mix?
ppl just dont think about this do they....!?!?!?
take a read of the thread sticky situation which is based on a marriage within the same race but different caste and hear what jatti kaur has had to say.
trust me there r a lot more examples of such an outcome then there is of a successful one!!!
take care
bham da jatt x
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Post by Jasi_bham on Mar 16, 2005 20:08:16 GMT
Well guys.....this was a very interesting thread!!! But i think everyones being a bit too judgemental and a bit too quick to stereotype people. Okay there are some white gals who do hand it out to any guys but trust me theres just as many asian gals doing exactly the same!!! If u ever go to a club, the RnB rooms are full of asian guys grabbin gals arses and asian gals doing things that shud be left in the bedroom rite on the dance floor. SO all the people who seem to think that all asian gals r sweet n innocent NEWS FLASH we r not!!!! infact we cud be a lot worse than the white gals out there!! And if ppl do choose to marry outside their race i say go for it if u do LOVE each other BUT there are loadsa problems with it too but then agen all marriages have to wrk thru problems!!! Thanks for listenin Lv Jas
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 29, 2005 19:24:46 GMT
hey jas....
we need to consider what we r considering, are we considering marriage or r we considering just a relationship at bf/gf stage?
i dont think u can marry out of religion or race, something ive discussed in the other forum, but maybe as i said at gf/bf stage its not too bad.
yes i know what asian girls get upto on dancefloors. personally i think its wrong (immoral to use a bigger word lol) to be pinchin girls arses, hence ive never done it n its defo not cuz im not confident, ive got plenty of that, but i just dont think its right.
sayin that, ive had my arse pinched many times by girls in clubs, n i dont really mind, its all innocent i guess. jus a bit flirty, nothing wrong with it.
ur probs thinkin im contradicting myself, well im not. something wrong is what the person sees it as. i dont see it too bad, so i dont mind girls doin it to me (would hate a guy doin it though lol). as i dont know what the girl i might want to pinch might thing, i wont do it, cuz some may not like it.
do i make sence lol?
take care hun
bham da jatt
x
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Post by precious on Mar 29, 2005 19:57:54 GMT
End of the day it takes a lot more to hold onto culture than marrying someone the same race as you!
So what if asians marry asians, that dont give them anymore culture than a next person, asians in this country are a perfect example!
Where exactly is the culture and tradition, cos I DONT SEE IT!! We are ALL WESTERNISED NOW, AND THATS THE TRUTH. EVEN PEOPLE IN INDIA HAVE BECOME WESTRENISED. SO WHERE IS THIS CULTURE YOUR TALING ABOUT PEOPLE??
People and parents think that yeah marry your own and you will hold onto your culture. Thats ******cks.
If YOU want to hold onto your culture you will, IF YOU DONT YOU WONT, SIMPLE AS!
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 29, 2005 20:30:38 GMT
marrying someone the same race as u is part of holding onto ur culture, its not everything, but it does show a substantial part. ooo...upper case letters precious? signs of frustration lol. hey to be honest precious, i dont blame u for ur frustration. only a person that cant respect their culture doesnt see it. Sikhi, Panjabi sabaiachaar is something im proud of. its my religion and my culture respectively, and whos got a problem? im a sikh n proud of it, im panjabi n proud of it. my religion teaches me so many things, ill be here for literally all night writing it down. yes, ppl that arent into Sikhi (like urself) wont recognise any of them. what does being panjabi mean to me? i tell u wht it means. it means fun at weddings, it means emotion between families, it means love n care from all from ur society, its a community that binds together, again....need i say more? as u quote: "We are ALL WESTERNISED NOW" dear oh dear, let me wake u up from ur dream. i can personally say im a living example of Sikhi and I am a panjabi!!! n to top things up, ive seen a lot more ppl out there that r more religios n cultural than i am! u would thnk its ur stars (***) cuz u cant see it urself, dont blame u hun. its all about the upbringing. parents that cant let their kids be aware of their culture....ur the walking proof. parents that do let them be aware, "i say did anyone call me" lol. enough said....
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Post by precious on Mar 29, 2005 20:53:45 GMT
Fair enough your a westernised sikh, punjabi, lol. Thats very modern of you. Your obviously proud to be jatt too, buy hey i thought sikhi didnt believe in caste?? Funny that isnt it? So is caste religion or culture? I think i know which one..
So what exactly makes you a sikh then? Your either a proper sikh or u aint in my books, all this in between stuff is a joke.
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 29, 2005 21:03:51 GMT
lol hun u make me laugh. nice to hear some1 tellin me what my religion n culture teaches me....its all coming from some1 that couldnt even respect her own religion n culture hunna? marry a gora....good for u yes im proud to be jatt cuz thats my culture. n yes uve got some knowledge in knowing caste is not about religion but culture. how am i a good sikh then? quite simple, cuz i see every1 as equal, jus cuz im proud to be jatt, thats not saying looking down on non-jatts. hence im still following my religion. i think ive got the perfect balance between my culutre n my religion, something u were unfortunately unable to do. like i said, it depends on ur up-bringing. think u got ur answer....
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Post by precious on Mar 29, 2005 21:14:49 GMT
so if you see everyone as being equal, whats wrong with mixed marriages. I dont think you can have a balance between culture and religion. I think you should follow one or the other. Its the balancing of the two which is damaging sikhism at the end of the day!!
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Post by bham da jatt on Mar 30, 2005 20:36:26 GMT
im so sorry "p", but ur completely wrong again.
ok, lets take examples, maybe that will help...
me...im religious and cultural, proud of it! well respected by other Sikhs as well as other Panjabis.
yourself, well i jut dont know, n who r u respected by? again i jus dont know.
conclusion: ppl that try to adapt both religion and culture are not damaging Sikhi, its in fact ppl that adapt neither that r, and im sure i dont need to tell any1 who that special person is...
take care!
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Post by jatteee on Apr 1, 2005 12:52:56 GMT
^o) im jus laffing man sum ppl jus go on all long... wot exactli is it got 2 do wid n e 1 else hu ppl marry n if they wana marry white gurls or white guys it shudnt be any ones bizness... simple.. no need 2 go on long
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Post by bham da jatt on Apr 1, 2005 13:16:14 GMT
jattee sorry to sound rude but i thought the whole idea of message boards were to hear each others opinions.
im jus answerin questions that other ppl r asking...
take care x
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Post by ~*~rezy~*~ on Apr 14, 2005 21:04:34 GMT
llol!! jatteee! innit thg!! but precious n bham da jatt keep goin coz u lot jus crackin me up!!!!!
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Post by Ritzy on Apr 15, 2005 13:14:03 GMT
hasnt this post gone a bit off track??? x
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Post by bham da jatt on Apr 15, 2005 16:14:41 GMT
i know ritz, it has hasnt it... lets conclude then: asian guys with white girls.... no....! x
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Post by Jasi_bham on Apr 20, 2005 23:15:17 GMT
NO....thats ur stand on it!!!
i have to disagree wiv u....i dnt have a prob wiv asian guys n white gals goin out or gettin married!!! if they fall for a gori....gd luk to em....but i aint gonna say its wrong cos personally i dnt think there is nething wrong wiv it......my aunt married a gora n they r soooo happy n he spks better punjabi then all of us....n their kids r bein brought up as sikhs.....n their dad completely supports that decision....so it can work out....i personally wudnt marry a gora....but if i do fall for one....i wud marry him!!!
gd luk guys
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Post by precious on Apr 20, 2005 23:30:29 GMT
exactly jasi you said it, dunno who bham jatt thinks he is making conclusions on all the posts, he thinks hes the the wise one around here,lol!
im quite opinionated myself, but i havent got a problem hearing other peoples views, neither does bham jatt but his conclusions are really peein me off!
it takes a strong person to marry someone of a different race, n i really rate those that do it but still teach their kids about their culture, some asian couples dont even teach their kids nothing about their culture.
each to their own, if it makes you happy go for it, n if your happy your parents will be happy too, if they disown u its cos they dont love you!
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Post by Jasi_bham on Apr 20, 2005 23:35:04 GMT
lol precious...i no where ur comin frm
BUT bham jatt does no wot hes talkin bout...he prob shudnt make conclusions....cos we all have conflictin views but the guy does make sense!!!
n yea i say each to their own....if ur happy marryin outside ur race n willin to take the impact it will have on ur family go for it!!! but marryin inside ur own race does tend to have fewer problems but u cant choose who u fall in luv wiv!!!! n i think im probably more liberal on the whole issue cos i had a liberal upbringin n havin liberal parents i no they wud accept my decision n support me!!! but i do think that if ur parents r strict n adamant on u marryin in ur race u shud try to do just that!!! but bout parents disownin their kids is just wrong n it happens wen their pride overtakes their love!!!
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Post by precious on Apr 20, 2005 23:47:49 GMT
yeah i know,b bham jatt sounds like a good sikh and i respect him for that, but a person marrying sumone of a diff race dont make them anyless of a good person than him.
I think im a good person, i may be stubborn in life, but thats only coz i have such strong views about society. I will never let society decide my life, it would just never happen. As for my parents i love them so much, n if anything ever happened to them dunno what id do, n i know i cant live without them. i could be unhappy for the rest of my life for my parents sake or i can be strong and do everything in my power to make things ok n face the consequences of my actions. mY parents are the most loving people i know n despite this stupid society that has influenced their lives i know that they can find it in their hearts to accept any other race into their family.
Ive got love 4 all races, id even adopt a child of a different race,! the last thing on my mind would be god damn culture. however the first thing on my mind would be love!!!
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Post by Jasi_bham on Apr 20, 2005 23:54:43 GMT
i absolutely agree wiv u.....i wud neva look down at sum1 who married outside their race but i wudnt look up to them either!!!
n bout our culture bein so bad....okay it has it flaws but it has shaped our society into a not so bad society.....im glad of my culture n glad i was born into it....being asian i think we do have a lot more stronger principle drilled into ur....like not drinkin....not smokin....no sex b4 marriage....which will help us religiously n spirituallly too....n i no not all sikhs do follow them....but i do n so does all my family!!! n i do think sum ova cultures dnt enforce it as much as they shud....n that may explain y certain races have higher crime rates, teen pregnancies, STDs....etc...so i wudnt completely diss our culture....show is sum respect cos whether u like it or not.....its ur heritage n part of who u r....n its becos of it...u r the person u r today!!!
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Post by precious on Apr 21, 2005 0:01:13 GMT
yeah but what you fail to realise is that asians are not the only people in this world that have these values. There are many strict white and black parents out their too that dont condone sex b4 marriage. N actually there are many lenient asian parents that let their kids go out to all hours, n of course they gonna have sex, drink and smoke, not in every case but in the majority asian kids do do these things now.
All races have family values and for asians to say they dont is just racist. asians think they are so perfect with values, i personally think some asians are so up their own arses its unbelievable. Its all about status n whos got what, asians have lost the basic principles of life.
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Post by Jasi_bham on Apr 21, 2005 0:07:43 GMT
lol....well ur sayin that generalisin is bein racist....i neva sed all asians support traditional values n i didnt say ova races dont support them either!!!! it seems ur being racist against ur own race.....generalisin asians like that.....yes sum asian r caught up in their own egos n accumulatin possessions....but i neva mention wot i have to ne1 n neither do my parents....sumthin ive learnt frm them!!!! ur being quick to stereotype asians just as ppl stereotype blacks as being thiefs.....i think being racist bout ur own culture is just as bad as bein racist bout diff cultures......i dnt no y ur sooo angry at asians???
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Post by precious on Apr 21, 2005 0:14:18 GMT
ITS NOT ABOUT GENERALISING ITS ABOUT THE FACT THAT ASIANS DONT ACCEPT MIXED RACE MARRIAGES BUT ASIANS NEED TO LOOK AT THE FLAWS THEY HAVE THEMSELVES B4 MAKING JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHATS RIGHT OR WRONG IN LIFE.
NOT ALL ASIANS ARE BAD, BUT MANY ARE THE SORT I WOULD NOT WANT TO MARRY INTO, SO IM NOT GONNA TAKE THAT RISK!
SOZ IF I OFFENDED U, THERE ARE LOADS OF DECENT ASIANS OUT THERE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IF ANYTHING BACKWARD ASIAN SOCIETY WOULD BREAK UP MY MARRIAGE TO ANOTHER ASIAN BECAUSE I WOULD BE SO AGAINST IT.
END OF THE DAY IM ASIAN SO I THINK IM ENTITLED TO COMMENT ON THE FLAWS OF MY OWN KIND.
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Post by bham da jatt on Apr 21, 2005 7:52:56 GMT
good morning, sorry i missed all ur interesting conversations last night girls, i was a little ill, n sorry precious about my slightly harsher words used against u last nite, probs my period, anyway.....
uve talked here so much, n i wanna pick on every point made, n i will. but to keep it as short as pos i will keep it brief per point:
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Post by bham da jatt on Apr 21, 2005 8:16:12 GMT
P i make the conclusions cuz u jus dont shut up to be honest, like most of the ppl on this site, im also fed up, cuz uve got nothing interesting left to say. all ur points r lovely to read, i dont take that away from u, u argue well, but they r so repeatitive, u jus go on n on n on....hence me making the conclusions
u say ur strong to marry out of race - BULLS#!t!! "hey guys, i fancy being strong today, im gonna go n marry a gori" think ive proven my point!
u say u know mixed marriages that teach their kids about their culture/religion n some asian marriages that dont. errr...duh!! obviously, but how about looking at the wider picture. compare percentages. tell me how many mixed race children follow their religion compared to single raced ones? point proven again!
parents dont love u....ur talking out ur arse! u know when ur parents pass away, most ppl only appreciate what they mean to u then. i think ur rather stupid n ignorant for thinking that parents dont love u if they say no in u marrying out of race!
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