Can sikhs eat beef or not?

[kidterra]

shweta said:

kidterra said:

Also the whole cow debate, why cant sikhs eat cows. The whole cow thing is like the caste issue, we got it from the hindu's.

Caste? The cow issue is because a cow can provide so much for one family. A cow can provide milk that helps us grow strong, just like our mothers gave us milk from infancy once. Surely that deserves a little respect. If you do not respect that, then it explains why you may eat beef.

The cow also provides milk over a long period of time. If it was just eaten, it would provide energy and nutrients for only a short period of time. Also if you think about it, vegetarianism could ultimately end starvation for the world! Think about it - 20 vegetarians can live off the land required by one meat eater! (Because the animal would have consumed a lot of the crops on that land that the vegetarian could eat over a longer period of time.)

I do not think this is as much of a religious issue as it is a moral one. I for one would not like my stomach to be the graveyard of so many animals. I used to eat meat (until last March), and since I've turned vegetarian I feel better for it (morally and health-wise). It's a small sacrifice to make in life! Thinking that you will only enjoy the taste of eating meat is such a materialistic concept. And if we boil it down, ridding ourselves of being materialistic is what makes us better, humble people.

A few more reasons for those who are interested about why vegetarianism is the way forward:

- Vegetarians have 24% reduced risk of getting heart disease & Vegans a 57% reduction (heart disease is the biggest killer in the UK accounting for 50% of deaths)

- Obesity is rare in vegetarians, obesity is related to many diseases

- Vegans & vegetarians have lower blood pressure & cholesterol levels - high levels are associated with heart disease, strokes & kidney failure

- Vegetarians have a 50% reduced risk of dying of diabetes

- Vegetarians have a 40% reduced level of cancer than the general population thought to be because they have a higher intake of vitamins A,C & E

- Vegetarians have a reduced risk of developing gall & kidney stones

- 80% of food poisoning is due to infected meat (faeces, bacteria etc.) after all meat is decomposing flesh - most of the rest is due to salmonella in eggs

- Osteoporosis due to calcium loss from bones is mainly due to the sulphur content in meat & casein protein in milk that cause calcium to be lost in the urine - the countries with the highest meat & dairy consumption are those with the highest levels of brittle bones

- 50% of people do not have the enzyme to digest milk properly & milk allergy is related to asthma & eczema

- Meat eaters have double the rate of Alzheimers disease as Vegans & Vegetarians - some people also think that Parkinsons disease is also linked to meat eating

- Egg yolk is a dense concentration of saturated fat & the white is high in albumin protein associated with leaching calcium into your urine. Butter is 80% saturated fat, cream is 40% saturated fat & cheese is 25-40% saturated fat

- Meat eaters are two and a half times more likely to get bowel cancer than Vegetarians

- The cling film used to wrap meat in supermarkets & butchers contains chemicals linked to falling sperm counts in men

- Chinese people (living mainly on a vegetarian diet) consume 20% more calories than Americans but Americans are 20% fatter

couple of things....

U disagree with my caste comment - brahmins

I dont eat beef, its never been on my diet from birth and i dont feel the need to put it in now.

Bout the cows, i was questioning why sikhs dont eat it them, coz its not sacred in sikhism, unlike hinduism. You always hear sikhs say 'we eat chicken, red meat etc' but 'we dont eat beef', but when asked 'why dont u yam the cow too', many dont have an answer. I was wondering what part the 'cows relevance in hinduism', plays in this. I was'nt trying to start an ethical debate on eating cows.

You list all the adavantages of being a veggie, but what about the negatives, there are many negatives, iron deficiency, vitamin d deficiancy etc.... There are also many advantages in having meat on your diet.

A recent study showed that people who ate raw/salad vegetables three to four times a week had up to a 50% lower incidence of heart disease and cancer than non-salad eaters, regardless of how much meat they ate.

I go along with the argument that god put animals on the planet so we humans can make use of them. Hundreds of years ago every1 had to hunt meat to eat and hence survive, what would you have done then.

i dont eat much meat anyway, it does'nt actually taste nice, red meat is nasty, and its now clear that the chemicals pumped into the meat play a part in this, and those chemicals are also 1 of the main causes of cancer. Studies have shown this, but they have never made the media coz they have been blocked by the powewrful meat industry.

[kidterra]

Tastyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[S]

When did I disagree with caste comments? I don't believe in castism anyway. I'm just saying that I don't think the "sacredness" of cows (if u can call it that) has anything to do with caste.

Lord Ram was a hunter too, and so were some of the Gurus. It's a traditional sport for those times....

Disadvantages of being a vegetarian hmmmm

Iron deficiency - Eat more greens. Spinach, apples etc.
Vitamin D - u get this from the sun and from the peel of cucumbers anyway, so I'm not quite sure where ur going with that one. Don't forget real Indian cuisine is very old and rather sophisticated.... we can get all the amino acids we need from several sorts of dhaal, therefore we do not necessarily need meat.

Of course there are advantages of eating meat, that animal has consumed nutrients that we can gain from a vegetarian diet, so of course if you consume them, you consume their nutrients too.

I don't believe that meat-eating is a totally forbidden thing, but I do believe that it should only take place if one is totally desperate for food.

The amount of animal farming going on right now actually counts towards global warming and starvation all over the world. Another two reasons why I am pro-vegetarian!

"A recent study showed that people who ate raw/salad vegetables three to four times a week had up to a 50% lower incidence of heart disease and cancer than non-salad eaters, regardless of how much meat they ate. "

Now compare a regular vegetarian diet to a similar omnivorous diet, and see how the incident rate of other diseases significantly are decreased in a vegetarian.

Don't get me wrong - I still have respect for people who wish to eat meat - that is their decision. But I truly believe that meat-eating isn't something we can justify via religion, but via personal morality and scientifically-based evidence.

[amriksingh]

Exalt S ji

[amebb]

Hi everyone. I think the main question isnt if Sikhs can eat meat or not.
The main Question is that those people who are arguing about what sikhs can eat and cannot eat are they real sikhs ...?

Let me ask you a question.

Can you be a policeman on duty without a uniform ?
can you be a judge without the wig in court ?
Can you be a king or a queen in front of ur public without a crown...?

Right then can you be a true Guru da Sikh without the 5 K's..?

So, now lets see that out of all the people who have inputted comments about what sikhs can eat and cant eat - how many of those people are real Sikhs with ethe 5 K's... ? and how many are wanna be Sikhs

Whether you like it or not you can not be a king or a queen without a crown. you cant be a judge in the court without a wig etc and you can NEVER be a true Gura da Sikh without the 5K's and the devotion that goes with that.

So all you wanna be gangsters, wanna be Sikhs.... if your religion is so precious to you, why are you hell bent on loosing it ? why are you so convienced that you can redesign Sikhi the way you want it to be...?

Half you people out there cant even speak proper Punjabi. You sound like fools when you speak lol
Can you write your mother tongue can you read Punjabi ??

So what will you teach your children ...?

If you cant be bothered to learn punjabi, speak punjabi and become passionate with your religion the please you have my blessing to go and become a christain, Muslim or anyother faith you can find - BUT please dont put shame and disrespect on Sikhisim !

Sorry if i sound harsh but often the truth hurts ...

[dugstar2007]

ok listenn
yes
hello im back ;D
anyway
why is there an ongoing debate bout this?
sikhs can't eat beef . . according 2 the religion etc
but that is one of many other things which sikhs should obey
e.g. don't cut your hair . . be a vegetarian. . . AND LOADS MORE
so i dont see the reason why sikhs shouldn't eat beef. . . it isn't the end of the world. . sorry if i hav repeated anybody bcoz i cudnt b bothrd reading all the other stuff
xx

[Ghost...]

i eat meat..tastes nice...but..not beef..i fin it wrong..to eat some like that,,nor do i eat pok..(no i aint a paki) i jus find it disgustiong..

chikens nice tho..i make some nice chiken!

[Ghost...]

^^

OH AND LAMB!

[Bunnypie]

"A fool, without knowing the truth, unnecessarily quarrels about eating meat or not eating meat. Who knows what is meat and what is vegetarian food? Further, who can say where does the sin lie, in eating meat or in eating vegetarian food?''

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: p.1289)

[jatti05]

Once again she cums 2 da rescue...bunnypie gives us da correct ansa again!

[Bunnypie]

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[amlijattuk]

Sikhs can eat what they like to, drink what they like to and do what they want to.

What I am saying here is a Sikh can do what he or she wants to do, without thinking about the religious side.

I have seen Sikhs eat meat a lot and consume alcohol amples amount of times in my life.

Then I get Goray coming up to me and saying "Sikhs are the biggest alcoholic drinkers and meat eaters ever."
What does that do to your reputation? It detriments it and the average white man would think that drinking alcocol and eating meat is acceptable in Sikhism.

See the problems in Sikhism that we all face. This is just a part of it.

But I do beleive that a true Gursikh who has taken Amrit (Fully Baptised Sikh for people who don't understand) should not be eating any meat whatsoever. That is what I beleive.

But tell me how many Sikhs do you know that are fully vegetarian?

(this does not include those twats going around thinking that eating meat on a Tuesday is acceptable in Sikhism but any other day it is prohibited.)



NOT A LOT I reckon.

[Baldeep]

Im a sikh..havnt taken amrit yet.. but dont drink or eat meat :S

[Baldeep]

So is it OK for people to do everything to contradict the teachings and principles of sikhi and still be able to call themselves sikh?

[amlijattuk]

baldeep said:

Im a sikh..havnt taken amrit yet.. but dont drink or eat meat :S

there are not many like you
we both know that

the amount of Singhs that I know
can't go more than 12 hours without meat.

When we go out they always drink
I have not seen many like you
whether u are a singh or not.

And yes people do drink, eat meat etc and still call themselves Sikh.
Fact.

[Baldeep]

Yea i am a singh. I'm not doubtin that people still eat meat and drink and stuff and still call themselves sikh. I agree with both of your posts.

However, its just a shame that goreh and others recognise sikhs as heavy drinkers and stuff when thats exactly what sikhi stands against.

[amlijattuk]

baldeep said:

However, its just a shame that goreh and others recognise sikhs as heavy drinkers and stuff when thats exactly what sikhi stands against.

Exactly

I totally agree with you
it detriments Sikhism when the average caucasian or african carribean sees a Singh drinking and eating meat.

What it does it damages Sikhism's reputation and in specific for people like you who don't consume alcohol and do not eat meat.

So what made you not want to do any of the above?

[Baldeep]

My parents and eldest bro are amrit dari...so its the way i've been ever since i was born.

If things are going to change, then we have to change things for future generations, and distingush between religion and culture

[56]

that is abit like me saying..can white people jump..ok that is my lame joke for the day

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kidterra said:

^^ good point

This is a complicated debate which covers facets such as holy vows etc.

lol i thought u meant to sat holy cows lol

bunnypie said:

"A fool, without knowing the truth, unnecessarily quarrels about eating meat or not eating meat. Who knows what is meat and what is vegetarian food? Further, who can say where does the sin lie, in eating meat or in eating vegetarian food?''

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: p.1289)

its our very own cotton lol

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amlijatt is showing a bit of meat, right for the occassion