The Truth About Muslims

[BigBrownKing]

Peace be with you,

Kidaaah to all my fellow Punjabi people, whether Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Christian,
Notice the order if the religious groups, well that’s the exact demographic make up of the Punjab province as a whole.

A little about me, I’m Punjabi love Punjabi, live Punjabi and will die Punjabi. My father was born in Amritsar and mother in Nairobi. My father’s recent ancestor’s being of Hindu Brahmin stock, praises due to Allah for them finding the truth. I’m British but consider myself being of Punjabi, Lahori, Pakistani background. Living in Wolverhampton and with my background I have spent much time studying South Asia its cultures and religions, as opposed to learning from biased hearsay.

There is far too much hatred and myths that circulate in the Sikh community regarding Muslims, found from my experience and your message board. Most of these myths obviously being, totally baseless and having no leg to stand on.

Muslims want Sikhs to convert (particularly Sikh girls);
The Quran states: “there is no compulsion in religion, for the truth stand out from falsehood” Now does this sound like we would force people to become Muslims. When people see the truth they convert that’s why there are around 100,000 white and black Muslims converts in Britain and it grows everyday. Islam is not a numbers game, but a game where people become better humans. Muslims have no wish or desire to convert Sikhs. Most of the worldwide Islamic community of 1.5 billion from African black to yellow Chinese have not heard of Sikhs or know what they represent. The 20 million or so worldwide Sikhs need not fear, Muslims have nothing to gain or lose whether you convert or not, Islam is a relationship between God (Allah) and a human and his relationship with Allah’s creatures. Muslim DO NOT FORCE ANYONE to CONVERT, unless the Muslim individual concerned is retarded.

Muslims tried to convert Hindus to Islam, hence, Sikhism was established.
I think this can be disproved by looking at the current demographics and history of South Asia. I’d be here all day if I’d expand, research it yourself.

The way Muslims slaughter animals
Again stop listening to hearsay form parents and people at the gurdwara and see it for yourself. We do not make the animal suffer with a blunt knife, killing it slowly, where ever did you peeps get that from?

Pakistan stole half of Punjab.
Punjab was and is a Muslim majority province66%; it was Pakistan’s compromise which gave India 33% of Punjab which I think was a good idea. Most Pakistanis speak Punjabi and live Punjabi, most Punjabis are Pakistani and that’s a fact research it. So Pakistan did not steal Punjab from anyone it was where we have always lived as Punjabi Hindus then saw the truth.

Etc.

Facts which you peeps may not know apart from the well read people amongst you.

Khalsa is an Arabic word meaning pure.
Fateh again is an Arabic/Persian word meaning victory.
Sikhism’s limited monotheism is based on Islam
A very big chunk of Sikhism’s moral code is borrowed from Islam
The meaning of Punjab is the land of the five rivers, Punj=five, and Aab meaning rivers in Persian.
The Dhol originates from the Perisan invading armies.
Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance not Sikh.


I would strongly recommend Sikhs to research things themselves, rather than rely on hear say, would reduce very many arguments and hatred. While you at it, read about the Indus valley civilisation, our ancestors were very clever indeed, ruins lie in Pakistan Punjab, 5000 year old civilisation, before, Hinduism, Islam or Sikhism. Very interesting indeed.

Anyone interested in learning more, or having a civilised debate can email me on:

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[~*~rezy~*~]

BIG BROWN KING MA BRO! DAT WAS A VERY INTERESIN STORY!!!! DAT IS REELY DA TRUTH BOUT MUSLIMS!!! ;D BIG UP URSELF MA MUSLIM BRUVA!!! N PEACE B WID U!!!! XXXXXXXXXXX

[fantasy]

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[xxkhanxx]

yh u go boy.. datz truf wot u sed...

[Ritzy]

u sure ur essay is long enuff? lol
well ok can u explain one thing to me then
y is it that half the points uve made, my muslim friends have told me they are true and not myths like u say they are???
also sum of the stuff...i.e. converting indian girls etc, i've seen it happen myself so got firsthand experience, and no it wasnt outa choice, mor like the guy forcing her! and then taking her to pakistan and leaving her there after clearing her accounts etc! no im not chatting crap its true
oh n my muslim frends have also told me that if u convert one person to islam u go up to hevan or wereva u are suposd to go
true or wot?
x

[BigBrownKingUK]

peace be with you,

for some reason i was unable to log on with my original username hmmmmmm i wonder???

anyway, Ritzy i was contemplating whether to entertain your comment with a reply or not.

no doubt your understanding of my message was very limited. i urge you to read it again.

o trust me if converting someone by any means neccesary was part of my religion i would be doin it right now and not wirting this msg. your actions are your actions if you help in some one coming to islam your sins are not forgiven and do not have an automatic ticket to heaven.

Muslims ruled india, pakistan and Bangladesh for over 1000 years do you not think, if it was part of our religion to convert people by force there would be hindus in south asia today, let alone anew religion starting, such as sikhism under muslim rule.

i doubt if you can digest all this, from your post. it seems you didnt even digest my first post so i'll leave it at this.

Only Allah/God shows people the right path, the true path of islam, no one, no one at all can convert someone. only if allah wants them to see the light will they see it.

and about your first hand experience i think that may have been more to do with money then religion. may i remind you islam is not pakistan and pakistan is not islam. islam is a worldwide 1.5 BILlion family of white, black, brown and yellow people.
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[JaTT]

one guy "HARI SINGH NALWA" il let you people read the history....there were conversions and muslim kings trying to win land by wars.....hes (and war veterans etc) the reason for Sikhs and Hindus in India....

[Ritzy]

JATT im with you on this one
actually i dont think muslims have ruled india pakistan and bangladesh for thousands of yrs....pakistan was a part of india to begin with for a start....and india was known as hindustan - i wonder why!
as for the conversions...yeh there wer forced conversions...no im not saying that cuz thats wot ive generally hurd, dats wot my grandparents n greatgrandparents have told me as that is wot they saw themselves and lived through
as for digesting your first post - yes i did but i dont personally agree with wot ur saying...everyone sees things differently and i don't see em from ur point of view nor do i agree with a lot of ur points
hinduism is as old as islam, if not older. and there is the rite path in every religion, islam aint the only one dats got one and nor is it the only one wer u can see 'the lite'
dats my piece anywayzzz...
x

[BigBrownKingUK]

i was right there is no real point in replying to your msgs. where is the historical unbiased content??

"actually i dont think muslims have ruled india pakistan and bangladesh for thousands of yrs....pakistan was a part of india to begin with for a start....and india was known as hindustan - i wonder why!"

a piece from your message need i say more. a historical fact that muslims ruled india for almost one thousand years and you deny it!!! i mean is there any real point me going on further.

as for jatt, whether u quote hari singh nalwa or Akbar what i'm saying is it's all biased, why not sit back look at the facts then ttalk instead of being brainwashed.

as for islam being the one, the only truthful religion, of course thats my opinion. you can have yours i don't mind. live and let live.

in the quran it says:
you have your religion, you go your way i go mine,
you will not worship who i worship, i will not worship who you worship, to you be your way and to me mine,

from the above it can be deduced islam and muslims care less whether you convert or not WE DONT CARE theres billions of us any way white black yellow and brown. only convert if you believe in Islam and believe it to be the thruth otherwise stick with your religion we DONT care.

o yes and to answer your hesitant comment, Hinduism is older then Islam almost 2 thousand years older, although Hindusim is not a religion in itself but thats another matter.

as i have said previously you need to work on you basic history and facts, for you to understand my commnets, or else they will jus fly past your head.

a fact for you! did you know Indonesia is the largest most populous Muslim country in the world and not one Muslim soldier set foot on indonesian soil??? how did that happen?? could it not be that they saw the light?

not one muslim soldier set foot in West Africa yet most of West africa is Muslim WHY?>?>?? THINK>> use the part of your body called the Brain..


yes Arab and Turkish Muslims invaded South Asian but the fact that Non muslims still form the majority there shows that there was NOOOOO mass forced conversion.

Did you know that muslims ruled SPain for 800 years, muslims jews and christians lived in peace. did u knw that there are no muslims in SPain now since the christians took over, thats what i call mass forced conversion and expulsion. the inquisition you must of heard of that everyone knws it.

ALso please please please understand Sikhs are one of the smallest communities in India, theres more christians in india then sikhs, so dont look at indian history through sikh history.

STOP BEING SO BLIND and see things what what ther are and how they were.

dont blindly follow rumours or out of contexts stories that you hear. ever heard of propaganda??

i have no more to say. the ones with some intelligence will understand. the ones withour well i could be replying for the rest of my life and you still wont.

go to the library and read books.

may Allah bless you all.

BB KING

[JaTT]

this is just a vain attempt to disrepute sikhs and hindus,...history of Hari Singh Nalwa speaks for itself him and his men kicked ass....and brainwashed...mate LOL iv reasearched myself without people telling me what to preach....

[dusnumbri]

well said my learned friend you do speak the truth be it a biased truth i agree that islam is a true religion but please dont defend what you did in india it was 100% hindu b4 u invaded the conversion were not to do with the muslim brotherhood but used in a way to control the masses (like they did in the ottaman days) its a fact that the sikh's had wars with the rulers of india (who were using islam as a tool to futher there gain) during the same period there were many kings who allowed other religions to florish the fact that sikh are still around is a testement to our fighting skills on the other hand the land were our most holy shrine was built was given to us by a muslim king we are not anti muslim we have include many muslim saints verses in our holy book
everyone knows about the son that killed his father for the throne
the hatred you talk about is the same on both sides our parents came from a time when they witnessed the end of the british raj there were many riots many were killed my dad had to leave his lands in pakistan and relocate in india so the hate was sowed in that genaration not ours, our genaration has never felt that so why the chips on our shoulders we were to young to express a intrest in the wars that happened and as a hole the situation between the two old foes seems to be cooling if they back home can 4giv and 4get why cant we over here ?
about punjab who was the last king of punjab ? need i say more THE SIKHS HAVE NO OTHER HOME LAND THEY CAME FROM THESE LANDS UNLIKE THE INVADERS OR THE CONVERTORS AND THATS A FACT
my aim aint to counter your msg as we could be here for the rest of our lifes and still have more to say on this subject i am a sikh and proud of the fact that if the muslims had not entered india we would never have got the call from god to protect his name and his children
the hatred was between the indians and the pakistanis not betwen the hinduisim,islam or sikhisim THE FACT THATS THERE IS STILL MORE MUSLIM IN INDIA THEN PAKISTAN AND MOST OF THE TOP ACTORS ARE MUSLIM MUST BEE SEEN AS A SIGN THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT ANTI MUSLIM
if you are true to your religion then all the other FACTS are of no need TO YOU OR i
kind regards
DUSNUMBRI

[BigBrownKingUK]

Just a few points i'd like to make:

India 100% hindu before islam came, pleas please please tell me where you got that from.

first of hinduism is not a religion its a collection of tribal religions the hinduism u speak of is a vedaic imperialist aryan religion where brahmins are at the top. like i said i can b here all day about hindusism MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS HINDU.

there was never an india and there never will be India is a continant. the first time it was one was under muslim rule, then under british rule which was the biggest and now you have india pakistan and bangladesh. india has always been made of princely states was never a country maan are you people lyk proper pindus or what.

sindh a province of pakistan now, was muslim before any arab or turkish muslim soldier set foot on south asian soil.

Sikh come from panjab its their land, ermmm helow where did my ancestors come from they are made form panjabi soil mate. your ancestors were hindu so were mine, mine converted praise be to allah to islam and yours to sikhism so how is it your land??? Panjab is my land as much as your FACT PERIOD.
and more hindu panjabis converted to islam then sikhism hence most panjabis in the world today are muslim.

let me give you another fact, which ive said before INDIA IS AS BIG AS EUROPE RIGHT, SO IF SIKHS WERE DEFENDING HINDUS IN PANJAB FROM CONVERTING (PRAISE BE TO ALLAH MINE COMVERTED) WHO WAS DEFENDING SOUTH INDIA AND EAST INDIA WHY ARE THEY STILL MAJORITY HINDU HMMMMMMMMMM! THAT SHOULD GET THE MIND WORKING A LITTLE? I WONDER?

like i said sikhs are a very very very small community in india. 20 million sikhs, 25 million christians, and 200 million muslims thats in india

Sikhs can be everywhere defending the poor hindus who cant fight because they need the very big and mighty sikhs to defend them o how brave the sikhs are if only they could defend iraq for muslims they are so brave o siikhs brave men.

sikhism got a call from god??? have you ever studied comparitive religion i love sikhs dont get me wrong but sikhism as a theological religion is a ametuer at best.

last king of panjab would have been the british and befroe that raja ranjit singh who forcebly converted many hindus and muslims to sikhism. and before that the arab/turkic mughals, before that would have been hindus kings, not to mention alexander the great, o yeh and before the the aryans, the harrapan people before that.

hindus don't hate muslims ermmm! what just happend in gujerat 3ooo muslims sluaghtered they were gujerati as well just that their ancestors converted to islam they were killed how democratic.

you know what its quite funny, we as muslim families never ever talk about sikhs or what they do etc etc. we got our own things to talk about. its kinda funny the reason y i hate to study all this was cus my sikh mates its like thats all their parents teach em. yeh and muslism do this and that , trying to put fear of muslims in their heart its kinda funny what they so scared of???

Most muslims in the world havnt even heard of sikhs they dont even know what they or you are.

my sikh mate was scared of listneing to some quran when he was in my car cus his mum said how wierd i have no problemn reading the guru granth sahib. its a funny old world.

may allah bless you all, and show you the light of true knowledge.

[Ritzy]

oh my life bbking u n ur bludy essays!
well ur starting to turn this into a major political and religious issue...oh n historical!
the point i was tryn to make was that ur sitting there tryn to justify and explain all these 'myths' but at the end of the day most ppl have their views (which don't coincide with urs frankly) and they also have their own reasons for them...i know i do
i don't have to sit here and giv myself a whole history lesson to justify em either....not to u or anyone else
as for hindu's hating muslims - yeh they do and everyone knows that...not so much over here and now (and before u start with ur lectures i aint got a prob with muslims as most my mates are muslims) but historically they aint got along and theres various reasons for that and u know there are....to be honest i dnt think they'll ever get along, the probs are always gna b der
as for ur mate not wanting to listen to the qu'ran...well ive listened to it etc but my muslim mates wont' hear a word of the geeta...or guru garanth sahib for that mata - so it works both ways hun
ur goin on ur views only and not everyone elses which aint really rep'n much
u may hav fair points in ur view but other ppl - including me - aint gna always agree with em...accept it
and i don't know wot u keep going on bout.....derz only a few sikhs blah blah blah.....jus cuz the number of muslims in the world is bigger dont make it a 'better' or more 'legit' religion!
and hinduism aint a religion??? oh please!! and wots ur point if brahmins are at the top??? wots that gota do with anything! its not like muslims aint got a caste system!
anyways ive sed my piece and the point i was making was jus that i dont agree with all ur points.....i didnt want hr long or page long essays and lectures from u!
u hav ur views and i have mine...yeh theyre different...u c it from ur religions point of view and i see it from mine....end of story
p.s. JATT i still agree with u lol
x

[BIGBROWNKING007]

Sorry bout my essays: just a few points:

your muslim mates ermm! their knoweldge is very questionable ask the to name muhammed PBUH's childerens names most likely they won;t know they seem to be very islamically uneducated. a practising muslim will have no problem in reading or listening to the geeta or the guru granth sahib.

i have no problems with Brahmins my GREat great great Grandfather was a brahiin i have no problems with hindus or hindusism. but if you kow what you talk about you would know that hinduism is not a religion it is the name given to peopel living around the river indus therefore i;ma muslim hindu. that is a huge topic though so i wont go into it. the real name for hinduism is along the lines of vediac nomenclature. muslims do not have casts unless they were hindu converts who kept the caste system going. arab/black chinese white muslims have no idea of any caste system.

the reason y i emphasise the small numbers of sikhs is the fact that, how could they defnd a 300 million population 300 years ago in a huge continent that is india. therfore their argument of mass forced conversion falls head first.

lastly, AR RAhman u heard of him the famous Bollywodd composer??? well him and all his family converted did someone force him??? i dont know ask him?? where were the sikhs y didnt u help him he got forced didnt he??

another question is if islam was spread by force y is it that so many millions keep on converting in africa, europe america and we dont even go knocking on poples doors like jeohovas witnesses. couild it be a miracle? could it be that ALlah wants peopel to see the light?? or are muslim armies forcing people in Europe and The USA to convert by force. i think not.

the one big reason why sikhs want this theory of forced conversions to stand is that their whole religion is based upon it, without it it would collapse. however, like the people of understanding may have understood that that theory can easily be disproved.

Allah bless.

[BIGBROWNKING007]

o ye and another thing, my id for some reason has to change as someone is frightened of what i say and keeps banning my ID. can;t you leave us to have an intelectual debate instead of losing freedom of speech.

if there are any serious sikhs or hindus who have knowledge to stand up against my arguments please come forward. u can mail me on~::

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i don;t want to debate with kids who don;t know anything about history or geography to come forward only peopel with a serious interest and point of view. i promise i wont post on this again as i keep having to register.

i dont think the moderators like a muslim panjabi of hindu orgin on here who knows a little more than there biased stories would tell them.

anyway,

peace and blessings of Allah be upon you all,

take care and Allah bless.
was a nice debate although would have preferd having it with people with a little more historiocal and geographical background.

[JaTT]

lets rephrase the fact that people (historians like Cunningham gave facts first hadn about Sikhs in the wars and did he not say himself say one Sikh bieng outnumbered by like 10+ muslims....yes i aint saying Sikhs were majority in number but the fact remains as of TODAY that Sikhs reclaimed India and the religion (and Hinduism) this could go on a very long time like Ritzy said (hello Ritz) and the fact remains that you only post on this thread out of the whole board to make somewhat a point or incite....Sikhs are and will remain amongst the greatest warriors there are and were thats cemented whteher people accept or not...i

[dusnumbri]

Sikhism is amateur at best.

why coz it to complex for you to decipher or have you not bothered and why not credit it with the respect it deserves we don’t go about slating your religion we don’t go on about what the ottomans did when they controlled the spread of Islam I do believe that many were converted to Islam peacefully but just as may were forced just like the the other crusaders from Europe no one used fair tactics back then history states this


"Sikhs can be everywhere defending the poor Hindus who can’t fight because they need the very big and mighty Sikhs to defend them o how brave the Sikhs are if only they could defend Iraq for Muslims they are so brave o Sikhs brave men."

So you keep using hearsay as your weapon who said we were defending the Hindus we were trying to save all the oppressed of that time many happened to be Hindus as the majority of the people were Hindu
but the true fact is we were trying to create peace between the people it a known "hearsay" that both the Hindus and the Muslims fought for the body of our first prophet as many of that time considered him a saint of there religion we only took up arms when the beheadings started and common languages of that time were used in the writing of our prophets so that they could be accessible to all man not just the ones who could read Arabic, Sanskrit etc and that’s why words in our religion have meanings in others
your religion came at a time when the Jews and the Christians (people of the book)were diverting from there religion and oppressing each other (the restrictions you have are the ones that they abused drinking,washing,eating etc ) and ours also came at a time of great tension between Hinduism and Islam

As for our fighting abilities

2 wars and your army could not beat them (border pul gaya) still the most used in the Indian army, I think we fought 1 to 1000 during the struggles against the forces of that time and were still here to tell the tales look at how many revered freedom fighters came from this religion So yes send us to Iraq and see if we can do a better job of saving Iraqis (if we cant save them least we can make them do the Bhangra)
So far non of your Muslim leaders have made Iraq better so plz lay off the Sikhs
I mean what you did to your own when you had 2 sides 2 Pakistan
They were Muslim people that your country was trying to suppress in Bangladesh or did that slip your mind
(I too can get vexed)

just a point id like 2 make I think sind was invaded in the 7th century b4 that it was a Hindu Brahmin state when I said 100% Hindu well b4 u invaded there was no signs of Islam in India it was the first religion to have a mass following in India as history states
Hinduism is a religion 900 million people cant be wrong (so all religions have to have a rigid formula like yours) period
Christianity: 2 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million

dose population mean better is Christianity the true one coz it has the most followers it means nothing what matters is that by being true to our religions we can all be better as humans our interactions should improve tenfold as we wouldn’t be seeing each other with our old self centered egos but ego centered on god and peace be upon him my friend center your energy's on his name and I have no problem reading your holy scriptures and turn my music off every time I pass a mosque I have may learned friends in the Muslim community who could tell you all the children of all of your prophets these guys who have seen the light to god are blessed and its never affected our friendship


Sikhs as a whole don’t need to defend or preach there religion and don’t sell there religion to the world it also only been around 500 years Islam started in 610 C.E. with the prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) revelation. So it’s unfair to compare the size when you have had such a head start
As for the riots in Gujarat remember 1984 we Sikhs experienced the same and more were killed in those riots so we feel your pain it easy to use religion and both the politicians and the underworld in India know how to used this card well

if you attain to be a true Muslim then stop this nonsense this forum states its rule when you join and this type of debate could cause offence to a already fragile relationship between Muslims and non Muslims as by stating such facts you are trying to challenge others instead of focusing on your god so even you oh great defender of Islam have wavered from what your duty is by falling into this trap of cheap propaganda

It good to know that your ancestors were in fact Hindu so hello my ex Hindu brother and hello my present Muslim brother your religion was never the problem it the EGO that’s.......

p.s as for Punjab it has 2 parts you have yours and ill have mine but I still think that Punjab is more known for its small!!!! Sikh (20 million) population then any other we put punjab on the map with dara singh and on the international market with talvin singh what ever ur claim to bhangra is its us who put it were it is who the top 3 international punjabi artists in terms of sales (gurdas,malkit,daler) ? singh singh singh

[JaTT]

^^^woah that some post and a half there....numbri tah number le giya...i second what you have said....as for Hari Singh Nalwa...is this why muslim men were forced to dress as women and slip away from the Sikh army? (peshwari muslims) and thats why the salwar kameez orginated for men from because those men who were caught in womens clothes were asked to publically wear them and they will be freed......

[Ritzy]

Jatt ur a joka i swear lol
n damn thats a long post!!! (nots urs the one before!)
anyways Bbking if u decide to cum bak, i dnt c why u cant handle the fact that ppl are going to hav views which differ to urs...and that fact theyre making as valid a point if not more valid a point as urs seems to bug u for wotever reason!
just becuz we dnt agree with u, we're lil kids witout any knowledge??? wotever mate!
for ur info i know a lot bout my religion thru studying it but the way i c it is that its personal to me and i dont need to sit here and preach to others wot is rite n wrong in my religion...or with the history relating to it
and yes i know wer the word 'hinduism' comes from thanks very much and in fact it was actually called sind bak in the day
if ur sooooo clued up bout religion etc y dya feel the need to preach to others bout it??? u shud b happy with wot u believe in urself as it shud b something which is personal to urself shud it not???
i dont know but thats wot i think...i have never preached bout mine nor felt the need to....was born a hindu will die a hindu...if others dnt like the principals of my religion then fairplay....no ones forcing em to follow it...its a matter of choice at the end of the day
so i dont know y u feel the need to justify everything in urs
oh n hi to u to jatt!!!
x

[JaTT]

lol whats up Ritzy how you doing? naah its somewhat annoying that this guy only posted and made this thread out of the whole forum...if he had shared views on other boards i wouldv thought ok...but he/she just came here to preach...like you said..i dont see the need for anyone to do that....if hes so keen on his views...go to your local market/ shopping centre and set up stall and share your views mate...or beyter still hyde park, london in speakers corner that way noone will bother arguing with you

[Ritzy]

lol jatt u joka...yeh he mite actually see sense before that hopefully!!!
but if not like u sed he may aswell go to hyde park or sumut to preach - n make a fool of himself!
x

[HAK202]

Hi, everyone, I have read everyone responses, and would like to say yes the koran doesn't force anyone to convert but the interpretation of some muslims is somewhat different. Why, I shall explain...

There is a site called shaadi.com, a matrimonial site whereby you are asked to put your religion.

There are afganistani twins, on there pretending they are sikh or hindu, making girls fall for them and then telling them their religion but still not their real names. They go by the names of sukhi chaunkria, because that is the surname of his wife when she was sikh. Also sukhi suker, anil sharma,kaylis suker, callum and maybe more. Then they do try to convert you, I have first hand experience. And have talked to other girls too, they go after young girls because its easier to convince them and they are more vunerable.

Why I ask you are they doing this when one of them has a wife and child and the other is in a so called two year relationship with a muslim girl. What is also shocking is that they go for women of any ages and are both medical students, soon to finish at southampton university. When muslims convert someone, their sins are not washed away but they get lots of bonuses from god and they are more likely to get to heaven. It also says in the koran that they are then given a big house.
I know because I have alot of arabic friends whose first language is arabic, the language of the koran. They themselves are shocked that this goes on and are disgusted. They are always saying that muslims whose first language isnt arabic do not really understand and interpret the koran wrongly.

If islam is so great, why then do these twins have to lie about who they are to begin with, they should be honest from the start. And they were working on me for one year and the other girl for a year and a half. Before we found out what their real agenda was, we know that they have moved onto another girl. I used to get ultimations, by this date you convert, or if you really loved me you would convert.
They are both very goodlooking and come from the small heath and hogshill areas of birmingham. Coming from a very big family although sometimes they say their parents are dead or divorced. What kind of person says this.

Anyway the whole point of me replying, is to say to girls please watch out, they talk about love,seeing the light,
and you truly do fall for it. But in the end, once you have lost your family and are the second wife, living a life where you cant go out, (and I'm talking about going to get some food), which is what is happening to his wife--whats the point. I know thats what she says.Life should be full of happiness and fun.

Listen to your parents, I thought they were wrong, but how wrong was I.

So any drs of the names Hassan Khan or Sajid Khan , be very very careful of.

[Ritzy]

Thanx for d advice!
x

[RepnSinghz]

Theres alot of sense in what you say BigBrownKing..but then again, theres alot of nonsense.

From what I can remember at the top of my head, heres my two cents (and thats all it is, nothing more..similarly, do not entertain your ego by implying that you are providing facts.)

Why was punjab the only land severely affected by the mughals? Well, since punjab is the "gate" to india, it makes complete sense that most mughals faught/resided in the land of five rivers; how could they conquer south asia, if they couldnt get through punjab??

Sikhism is a revealed relegion..there is no way whatsoever, sikhism copied or borrowed anything from any relegion..granted, there are similarities between faiths (namely sikhism and islam)..but this is the case with all dharmic paths. However, when something is revealed (as it was to guru nanak) it cant be "borrowed." Furthermore, i could argue that islam is nothing but a mish mash of judaism and christianity. If your argument is that islam was the perfection of the former, then my dear brother, i can argue that sikhism is the perfection of all faiths in the world!! And the use of persian and arabic language is extremely self explanatory..because of the use of 16+ languages, the message of the gurus was understood and embraced by people of all walks of life!

Sikhs, in general, have no concern with muslims from outside the UK..it seems the tension between communities (if any) is placed here. Outside of the UK, sikhs and muslims live in peace.

Islam is very interesting indeed..as much as i love and respect your prophet, it seems the relegion itself is suffering..numbers dont account for purity of hearts, and it seems muslims are finding comfort in fantasy paradises rather than living as good human beings. Its because of this (and other false relegious practises), the dharma of sikhism was brought to the masses. But few will understand it..ever. I dont need to scare people into following sikhism, because its something that happens with grace..with gods will. However, when you come to this time in your life (maybe in this life or your next life) then you shall understand what i meant!

According to british accounts, and even poets from muslim courts, there were countless acts of evil commited by mughals against the gurus themselves. Infact, descendants of the mughals recently visited the golden temple and asked for forgiveness from the sikh community. Did you know, most of the descendants from the mughals are poverty stricken and homeless? Sounds like karma to me. So you expect me to beleive there was no mass conversions, when these people were willing to kill my gurus? Im sure you understand my sentiment..muslims (and indeed your prophet) went through the same things did they not??

I think its unfair you coming on here trying to brainwash impressionable minds..if you really had no motive to convert peoples thinking, then you would do the sensible thing and post this on a website where people can actually challenge your opinions. This is a bhangra wesbite, not a relegious forum!

The muslim community from the indian subcontinent, even today, have that desire to convert sikhs built in them. Admit it or not, but its something which has been grounded from history. Not all muslims, im talking about the sunni/wahabi types. (Id like to add that sufi/shia muslims have always had good relations with sikhs.)

Its a pity those sunni/wahabi types came to punjab and tried to enforce their beleifs on people..look at afghanistan..or indeed any muslim state. Fanatical muslims will stop at nothing to propagate their faith to the masses. Do you think fanatical muslims at the times of the gurus had any law surpressing them? The world was their oyster..however, the khalsa panth stood up to them. They didnt call us the lions of punjab for nothing! Nor was the name hari singh nalwa echoed in the beds of children all the way up to afghanistan for nothing!

The fact remains, that punjab is, and will always be, a reminder of the struggles the indian nation had to face. Most noteably the sikhs. What we, as sikhs, stand for and beleive in is testimony to this fact. If you wish to know how barbaric muslims were at the time of their rule, please read the guru granth sahib.

Sikhs, 20 million left? Well when you consider the mass killings of sikhs at the mughals (mughals didnt appreciate us standing up to them or indeed propagating a new faith people were embracing)..when you consider the mass wars will hindu hill rajas (our growth in power threatened them)..the mass killings from the british (where the entire nihang/khalsa community were almost wiped out)..not to mention the world wars we fought in..or indeed the partition of india, and the effects of 1984..to the present day. I actually think 20 million isnt bad!!

I guess thats why punjab is such a beautiful, reputable land..it it home to the gurus, fakirs, pirs, saints, kings, lovers, and warriors. Most noteably the sikhs, who, despite the aforementioned, have managed to pull through and continue to grow to this day.

Its a shame, brother, that muslims do not see the light..granted, you might have the key to paradise..but the abode of the khalsa looks down on the paradise you desire. Its a shame few people realise the beauty of the khalsa..but the time for khalsa raj shall come..be it 100 years or 1000 years..and thats when the age of righteouessness will prevail..you see, islam might well be the greatest relegion in numbers right now..but dont forget, we are living in the age of darkness!

P.S my ancestors, after coverting from hinduism, were muslim. Does that have any bearing on anything i say..no! So please dont say you have hindu ancestory (and now you see the light) because it doesnt kindle any sentiment whatsoever!

P.P.S my sikh brothers and sisters, please read "Tigers, knives and theifs" or "Warrior saints" by Amandeep and Parmjit Singh. These are accounts of sikhs in the eyes of NON sikhs..pre and post british raj. Amazing stuff!!

[RepnSinghz]

Big brown king, brother.
Sikhs NEVER stood up for india..but think about it this way, if such a small community in the north of punjab (made of societys "riff raff") were willing to tackle and stand up to the governors of the land, dont you think this would have some bearing on the psyche of the rest of the hindu nation?

So, indirectly yes, we are responsible for keeping the hindu nation alive!! Because of us, our hindu brothers in the south had the strength to call upon the name of brahma, vishnu and shiva, and with that shakti, they were able to fight against the mughal oppressors!!

You keep talking about forced conversions..no one ever said muslims force convert now. We are talking about HISTORICAL events. Arguably, however, conversions that take place now, are to an extent, forceful. MOST muslims only practise islam because they are emotionally blackmailed i.e. they are fed with so much fear that their worship turns to what i can only describe as mental instablity.

Sikhism, on the other hand, is a relegion based on love. And thats why people dont embrace it as much..we live in an age of darkness where people dont understand the language of true love!! Its a shame, sikhs themselves dont understand what sikhism or love is about..if they did, then we wouldnt be in the mess we are in (as a community.)

Why dont we fight for iraqis? I agree totally..if we were khalsa we would. But a)most the sikh community arent khalsa b)the demographics of iraq dont help, its not like we can run there! c)we have our own problems in india!
Please dont take HISTORICAL events out of context..sikhs fought for their land..india is their motherland! Simiarly, sikhs came to britain and fought for this country too! Its becuase we beleive in honour and respecting ones place of residence. Unlike some people!!