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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Oct 29, 2009 1:17:59 GMT
Found this article on sikhnet. Exact my senstiments.
Its kinda long, so i will just highlight the main points. I know none of us would be intersting in this cuz we dunt care. We r used to modify the practise for our own level of comfort.
After 9/11, there has been a sharp increase in hate crimes against Sikhs because they wear a turban and have uncut hair which is very similar to muslim extremists brought into public attention. Misunderstandings among white loyalists and die-hard American patriots is inevitable, especially in areas with lesser Sikh density as compared to New York and California.
Think again, can we blame that American before blaming some one else. There is a bigger force to be blamed before anything else. Just a moment and you will find out.
Now what happens after a Sikh has become a victim of hate crime? A bunch of Sikhs get together and appeal to a judge (who is a white guy himself) that a White guy has attacked a member of our community. Now we have to understand that we are in some other country and its not the other way around. It's our duty to educate the world about our religion. If you grab a look at the group of Sikhs appealing at the court against hate crime, you will find out that most of them (if not all) are well into their 50s or even older. Where is our youth? Have they dug a hole inside the ground and are hidden in there? NO, they are in front of you, you can't identify them because they don't want to get identified. They are people of our community who have cut their hair and sacrificed their identity just to avoid that curious look from some foreigner. This is a bigger force against all hate crimes, it's just hard to believe.
In my college, I found out that there are at least 45 students with the last name of Singh, and I am familiar with many of them. But how many with a turban? No more than four, including me. Think about this, if someone spreads a rumor that we are an Arab, how many of us can possibly get a chance to educate them and remove that rumor. Just 4. It won't work. But if all of those 45 students were turban-wearing dedicated followers, the story would definitely be different. We would have a say, we would be united, we would have an identity, people would know us because they would have more chance to interact with us.
And after cutting our hair, sacrificing our turban, we still go to Gurudwara and pray to God. Rather an oxymoron situation, ain't it? How would it feel to even God who looks down at you and thinks that "look at this, these are my Sikhs, who have cut their hair, disrespected my sayings and still they pray to me." I am not against Sikhs who have sacrificed their identity, its just that I am not with them because I can see my religion dying with an alarming speed. If the father doesn't follow Sikh identity, 99% is the chance that neither will his children. So the whole generation is gone. Wearing a turban and sporting facial hair doesn't mean that we are conservative Sikhs, in fact, with no turban, I doubt if one could say that he is a Sikh or at least he would not like to be recognized as one.
My point is that we are trying to hide ourselves rather than educate people around us about our religion and its dedication to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the world. Hate crimes will not stop, we will be accused of something we have no idea of, and hence to avoid all this, our youth will keep on sacrificing their identity and one day (which, unfortunately, may be nearer than we realize) our religion may very well be the religion of the past. We are not many, and hence we have to educate everyone around us.
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Oct 29, 2009 1:21:58 GMT
In short, i am not blaming thousands of monas for being a mona.
I just saying that we have killed our own identity whether u accept it or not. We can argue all we want to justify ourselvs for being that way, but its not the way we were supposed to b like.
Anyways, i dunt care. we are all dead from inside.
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Post by rocco on Oct 31, 2009 20:15:34 GMT
this is very educational. thankyou. It makes me respect Sikhi.
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Nov 19, 2009 21:25:55 GMT
Well I think by the number of sikh girls that say they want no-turban and clean shaven, what do u expect to happen? When turban guys can;t get married cos of the sikh girls being stuck up and after bollywood hero types?
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Nov 20, 2009 19:05:40 GMT
That might be a case of 1 or 2.
Dont really happen too often. Hun kuj oda v Shakal huni chahidi aa yaar...
cant just blame that turban.
If its only abt gurls, den you might aswell convert to islam ( as u wont b in sikh saroop, moreover them gurls r more hot).
Turning down sikhi cuz of gurls is so pusshiesh man.
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Nov 25, 2009 21:04:05 GMT
but muslim girls like sardars anyway so no need to convert hehehe
but, yeh many guys doing it cos of girls..
Even parents not growing their kids hair cos they know its trouble to find them wives when they grow up.
I have seen some sikh kuris that will go for guy with no shakul than go for guy with pugh darhi, many sikh girls r jus mash up
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Nov 26, 2009 0:44:07 GMT
Isnt it natural for guy/gals to get attracted towards someone from diffrent religion?
Hehe.. Apne always seem fudu or incomplete eh..
As to parents urging kids to become mona, if everybody is happy
then i guess sikhi nuh kalla chad do.. Hor ki
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Post by mcjalebi on Nov 26, 2009 11:08:33 GMT
tru........I would say 90% of sikh men no wear turbans. especially in punjab...hardly any one keeps their kesh...they think that vilati people lost the plot, lost their virsa and everything but its the other way around the punjab has lost the plot. atleast some of us vilati keep our kesh!
then again none of the women keep their........if your a boy and keep your kesh and you have a sister who cuts their hair and everything.. the ladies just pick and choose what they like about sikh like the liberalisation...but the boy keeps their kesh...double standards we have dont we.. peoples.
But in these days is it important to keep the outward appearance of sikhism like in the 1800's?
ger
Its a shame that apni kuriyan up them selves..this generation has completley lost it..(generation y onwards)......Do the east african sikhs from the uk have the same problems with getting married..considering most of the dudes keep their kesh?
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Nov 26, 2009 17:56:35 GMT
But in these days is it important to keep the outward appearance of sikhism like in the 1800's?
Its like asking a muslim if it is important to read namaz 5 times a day!
Thts a rethorical question bro.. You allrdy kno the answa..
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Nov 26, 2009 20:44:34 GMT
tru........I would say 90% of sikh men no wear turbans. especially in punjab...hardly any one keeps their kesh...they think that vilati people lost the plot, lost their virsa and everything but its the other way around the punjab has lost the plot. atleast some of us vilati keep our kesh! then again none of the women keep their........if your a boy and keep your kesh and you have a sister who cuts their hair and everything.. the ladies just pick and choose what they like about sikh like the liberalisation...but the boy keeps their kesh...double standards we have dont we.. peoples. But in these days is it important to keep the outward appearance of sikhism like in the 1800's? ger Its a shame that apni kuriyan up them selves..this generation has completley lost it..(generation y onwards)......Do the east african sikhs from the uk have the same problems with getting married..considering most of the dudes keep their kesh? i don;t think so, cos i get more of them east african and tarkhani girls being attracted to myself than those indian punjabi jattiz that I need to get.... If those east african girls were traditional or indian enough and perhaps jattiz, than I wouldn;t have so much problems. But cos they are just not indian or jatt enough, the answer would be NO. Plus them peoples are too liberal for jatt families. |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Nov 26, 2009 23:43:15 GMT
All this jatt, tharkhan, ramgharia or dasia has to stop one day. Babe Nanak ne kalyug vich aake Jag ni tarna.. Only we will have to make a change. Nahi te start preparing yourself and your future generations for converting into something else. Lets see which religion comes in majority so that we can take its AASRA...
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Post by Kamlee on Dec 7, 2009 13:01:03 GMT
There's more riots going on In Punjab at the moment.  more details dal khalsauk facebook www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=name&id=1051872919#/pages/London-United-Kingdom/Dal-Khalsa-UK/95881811720 Please copy & paste the form below & fill in your details then send it to your MP [Date] Dear [MPs Name] Police and paramilitary forces open fire and kill Sikh protesters on Saturday 5 December in Ludhiana, Punjab I am writing to request you urgently raise the above matter on my behalf with the Foreign Secretary and the Indian authorities. Sikhs living the UK are outraged when we see such incidents of police brutality and discrimination. It is incidents like these of deliberate provocation and targeting that force Sikhs to think about their long term future in India. On Saturday 5 December 2009 police and paramilitary forces opened fire to stop Sikh protesters, belonging to Sikh religious organisations, marching towards a controversial anti-Sikh two-day event organised in Ludhiana by Dera Divya Jyoti of Ashutosh. It has been confirmed at least one Sikh has been killed and around15 seriously injured. The photograph of Darshan Singh, the 58-year old that was shot dead, is available. The death toll is expected to increase. Despite an indefinite curfew in the city there has been uproar across Punjab at the heavy handed action of the police and paramilitary forces. Upon seeing footage and photographs (photographs are available), reports are coming in of thousands of Sikhs preparing to travel to Ludhiana to participate in further protests. Sikh religious organisations have called for a peaceful ‘bandh’ (closure) in Ludhiana and cases to be registered against Ashutosh and BJP MLA Harish Bedi, who is also reported to have fired shots at Sikh protesters. Meanwhile the Punjab government recognising the seriousness of the situation has ordered a magisterial probe into the incident. Sikhs are particularly upset as what has been interpreted as double standards and deliberate provocation of Sikhs. On Thursday and Friday following a minor incident there was widespread arson and violence by migrant workers in three-quarters of Ludhiana. This was permitted without any action taken by the police. However, the protest march by Sikh religious organisations on Saturday was met with the use of tear gas, batons and then live ammunition. I urge you to take this matter up as my elected representative and copy me in any correspondence with the Foreign Secretary or the Indian authorities and there responses. Yours faithfully [Your Name] [Your full postal address] |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 7, 2009 22:36:15 GMT
Sorry to offend your feelings but these write ups wont make a change.
If you want yaself to be heard, atlest do some MORCHA- PROTEST on the streets man.
Emehh application fill karan naal kujj ni change hona.
My local MP can hardly be bothered abt situation in punjab.
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 10, 2009 21:11:52 GMT
I know of certain girls who ask for things like that. But is it so bad? Each to their own isnt it?..if she doesnt like Sardaar's then that's her choice. The same way guys want a woman that can cook, clean, be respectful, get along with things etc. I know of some people that just want a girl from India becasue they think she will be more "efficient" than U.K girls. But little do they know that these girls also watch Star Plus and what not and can also be very chalaak. Some people like Alhu Paronthe for breakfast (with a bit of dehin and with pakoriyan in it  ), and others prefer the "full english" ;D |
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 11, 2009 21:51:14 GMT
I get what you are saying, but I didnt mean it in that way. What I meant was, actually, I dont think I could be any clearer about What i meant, lol.
But seeing as you taking it to the "they said it so I'm doing it" place, might I add, some guys and girls, do get so infatuated/in love with one another, that if they say do bla di bla bla and only then I'll marry you, the other person actually goes and does it.
In some cases it's fine I suppose, "meat khaan nu hat ja.....straighten your hair it looks better that way...put less loon in the dhaal sabji" those kind of things are acceptable in a way, but I know that there are cases out there that if a girl said to a guy, "oh none of my family wear a pagh, tu bhi laa de if you want to "fit in"". Now that I think is way out of line for anybody to say. But it does happen, at least I wouldnt be surprised if it did!
lol, hell yeah it does, all these bollywood films aswell "I can run away and go in the kheth with him while my chunni flies away" all over the top showing these families in Star Plus drammeh all modern shoder, fancy and filthy rich. "yeah I'll go get a guy like that!"
Saaleyo!, oho sochchaan nu maaro goli te real life de baareh socho. Asli udhan ah jadhon oh pakka ni hoya, bachche sambhan le koi labda ni, theh kista de naal neendh od jandi. Eh gal hundi ah "Asli Atta"
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 13, 2009 17:18:22 GMT
I get what you are saying, but what I'm tryinh to put across is that the examples whihc I had listed do happen. I'm not condoning whthere or not they are right, just stating the truth that is out there. Probably it afects those more who don't know about their religion as they should, therefore they see it acceptable to commit such blasphamy (always wanted to use that word ;D!) I disagree, "requests" as you put it are equally as important as everything else is it not? Does it not determin whether or not the Nau will be bad mouthed about? However loon mirch being barabar in dhaal sabji from the off will not cause these problems. ...but then again, women these days, especially Punjabi women tend to go on and on about any and everything they can, and not shut up about it untill they have gotten every word out and say "chup karr hun, Bebo ayee ah  ) Lol, I only meant that figureitivly, not literally. Meaning they expect everything to be hunky dory when in reality it's quite the opposite... "roti hak di khayeh ji, paameh boot polishan karri eh" Guys like that do exist, Fauji's that come from India (and other other countries) and are so desperate to get pakkeh in the U.K they will marry almost anyone. |
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 14, 2009 23:07:19 GMT
Yeah maybe they would, but Aunties will be Aunties!
yeah men do talk, even more than the women I can guarantee you that.
Yeah you can learn how to cook, but I don't see it as learning. You can be cooking for years yet its always lacking that something or has extra something. I believe that it comes in a more natural way. Some can some cant. But this is the wrong section for that...
Yeah you are right there I suppose, an eye for an eye situation (kind of)
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 14, 2009 23:55:45 GMT
I remember being new to kaneda and guys askin me after couple of years..
Singh so what type of desi wife would you pick now ?
The one who can cook or the one who gives a best blow....
Never had answer for that question.. lol
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Post by Ghost... on Dec 15, 2009 23:02:17 GMT
^^ Mara ta sharam kar yaar.
And to the poster above, would, but i'm not really bothered, i'm sure that there is something already on that in the Mixed forum or something. You start it, i aint no behla munda lol
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Post by huddersfieldjatt on Dec 16, 2009 1:22:47 GMT
i jus gotta say i think there are 2 main problems with the loss of identity in our religion n is slowly killing the religion .... one is the whole caste thing, i mean for me i could give a S#!t less bout castes n whatever i dont reallly think it matters n why the whole caste thing is killing it is beacuse jatts cut their hair cus they say ' oh i dont wanna look like bhapa ' or wutever n thats complete rubbish so they cut their hair to look ' more jatt ' n jatts make up 2/3 of sikhs or a good majority of sikhs n their ashamed .... n 2nd is the whole thing that has been said up there in the thread about sikh girls not really feelin guyys with turbans n i mean i've gone out with hindu girls afghan muslim girls but i've never been out with a sikh girl to be honest n i have a turban sooo idkk i think its kinda f**ked up like if girls of other religions n cultures dont have a problem with it y do our own sikh girls have a problem .... n i'd never change myself for a girll bit*hes aint S#!t and i think its the funniest thing when guys be cuttin their hair for a girl ...
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Dec 18, 2009 21:01:43 GMT
dude wtf, even i wouldn;t wanna look like a bhapa. Actually I always check that my pugh doesn't look like kenya singh either. But it wasn't good enough for the pinds. My pugh still got termed as a bhapa or tarkhan pugh in the pinds by my relatives, even though I tie it differently from them guys... ah well....
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Dec 18, 2009 21:06:03 GMT
Really?? Do guys actually cut their hair because of girls?? I mean is that even a valid reason?? It's more like an excuse as far as i'm concerned... And if it's true even for a minute the Sikh boys out there need a wake up call big time... There are plently of girls out there that are looking for turban wearing Sikh boys... Actually may be I should talk for myself here because you might be right but I haven't personally come across any Sikh girl that specifically doesn't want a Turban wearing guy. I think I have a solution to this problem.. How about the girls don't get a choice.. The guys should stick by what they think is right and if that means keeping their hair and Turbans (which they should think) then go for it... At the end of the day if all Sikh guys kept their turbans then Sikh girls woudn't really have a choice then whould they?? So that is definately not a good thing to blame the girls right?? Other then that 'Jatt enough'.... I'm sorry I never knew there was a criteria for being Jatt... Or am I just not reading that right?? Oh and I defo agree with there should not be Jatt Tharkhan etc... but at the end of the day I don't think parents would really let you marry in a different caste will they?? I don't know some might but I know mine wudn't... well in many cases, because of the lack of girls liking sardars, I don;t think munde think they have a choice in cutting their hair or at least trimming their beards. Just check your local gurdwara matrimonial section and see that its probably only 10% of girls that want turban guy! As to 'jatt enough'. I am serious about that, I don;t consider some of the jattis traditional or jatt enough to marry. I couldn;t care less who they marry, as long as its not me. And if their parents don't like it, then its their fault for not teaching enough values and culture. |
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Dec 19, 2009 19:39:32 GMT
a proper jatti, as in one who has respect for her traditions and hasn't become a coconut, like too westernised lol
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Dec 23, 2009 21:35:46 GMT
as in no pointing calling oneself jatt if one doesn't behave like one or have the annakh of a jatt!
over-westernised or over-liebralised, as in behaving in a way that is outside the level of izzat and annakh of the traditional families and dharm.
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Post by AJ on Dec 26, 2009 21:44:55 GMT
HOW DO YOU BEHAVE LIKE A JATT?? I mean is there a tick box where you can say. Walks like a Jatt (Tick) Talks like a Jatt (Cross) Ooops not Jatt enough!! Lmao, glad someone cleared that up. |
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