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Post by Ghost... on Jan 7, 2008 21:58:17 GMT
neither do i.
HA!
in your face Ben Da Lagda!
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Jan 7, 2008 22:37:12 GMT
pakiz are like magnets mate...u all want to be us or be wiv us my turban begs to differ  |
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Post by uknowdat on Apr 30, 2008 21:13:08 GMT
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man's embryonic development, 1,400 years before modern day scientists 'discovered' important information on creation of man and his development:
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)...[Holy Quran 23:12-14]
Literally the Arabic word alaqah has 3 meanings:
leech
suspended thing
blood clot
1. "In comparing a leech to the embryo at the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two." [The Developing Human p.8].
"Also, the embryo as this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech which feeds on the blood of others." [Human Development as Described in Quran and Sunnah p.36].
2. The second meaning of the word alaqah is 'suspended thing'. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother very appropriately fits this description.
3. The third meaning of the word alaqah is 'blood clot'. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. So the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.
By examining a diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage we would notice the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo [The Developing Human, p. 65]
So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.
The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means "chewed-like substance." If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his mouth, and then compare it with the embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that they would be almost identical because of the somites at the back of the embryo that 'somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.'
How could Muhammad, peace be upon him, have possibly known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677 A.D. (more than 1,000 years after Muhammad, peace be upon him]. They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract [The Developing Human, p.9]
Professor Keith Moore is one of the world's prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled the "Developing Human", which has been translated into eight languages. This book is considered a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by on person. Dr. Keith Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.
In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said; "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been the messenger of God, or Allah [The reference for this statement is on 'This is the Truth' (video tape). For a copy of this video tape please contact us].
Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question, "Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?" He replied; "I find no difficulty in accepting this."
During one conference, Professor Moore stated, "... because the stagein of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and Hadeeth (reliably transmitted sayings and reports of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the 7th century A.D. Although Eric Statle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the stagein and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century A.D. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training." [This is the Truth -video tape]
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Post by uknowdat on Apr 30, 2008 21:15:47 GMT
I invite everyone to learn about islam and not just hate it just because it is a way of life which is different to yours! read and learn about it for yourself and for your own knowledge instead of hating! heres a website i ask all reading this to look at and i guarantee you will find it truly fascinating! the website is: scienceislam.com/quran_miracles.php |
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Post by raj2000 on Jun 20, 2008 23:01:39 GMT
It is a known fact that muslims have practised for years and still today that if you are not a muslim in a muslim country that you are taxed higher, treated as a second class citzen etc. and can not get the same benefits as a muslim believer. If you convert to islam you are given equal rights as your muslim counterpart you are bestowed with wealth.
Any conversion if it takes a person to use disgusting manipulative techniques is not from god.
What kind of god do you serve if you need to resort to manipulative techniques to convert people. God changes a persons heart, and touches a person spirit. A man/woman of god is known by their character love, peace, patience, kindnes, honest etc. If you cannot see that then you are truly lost. If your good book tells you that all means of conversion are ok even killing the person and that same book then tells you thou shall not murder a total contradiction why would you believe that in the first place.
Use your brain and common sense and see the folly that it is. Death comes to all, should make your peace with it no matter what faith your in and get your life sorted.
If people are converting others using the above techniques, to become muslims etc surely any god fearing person can see how wrong that is. If I were in a relgion that said I could kill a man to convert them, or seduce a woman, or deceve a person by pretending to be someone I am not, or by causing finacial difficulty which have been practised and still being practiced today, I would be getting out of that for sure. that is not of god, open your eyes.
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Post by raj2000 on Jun 20, 2008 23:14:34 GMT
everybody has a theory on creation and evolution etc, there are many relgious books that may have scientific knowledge about how the human was created and world was created but you forget there maybe some truths in the koran, bible and guru granth sahib but if there are contradictions in that book, that book is not true. The truth does not contradict.
If your good book contradicts and causes you to hate and hurt another human being who is a child of god, makes you so delusional that you start to believe that if I kill another person for god, or can use any form of decption to convert others then seriously you can throw that book in the bin no matter how much scientific proof it has.
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Post by 5abikuri10 on Jun 21, 2008 1:57:44 GMT
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man's embryonic development, 1,400 years before modern day scientists 'discovered' important information on creation of man and his development: We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)...[Holy Quran 23:12-14] Literally the Arabic word alaqah has 3 meanings: leech suspended thing blood clot 1. "In comparing a leech to the embryo at the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two." [The Developing Human p.8]. "Also, the embryo as this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech which feeds on the blood of others." [Human Development as Described in Quran and Sunnah p.36]. 2. The second meaning of the word alaqah is 'suspended thing'. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother very appropriately fits this description. 3. The third meaning of the word alaqah is 'blood clot'. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. So the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood. By examining a diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage we would notice the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo [The Developing Human, p. 65] So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage. The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means "chewed-like substance." If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his mouth, and then compare it with the embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that they would be almost identical because of the somites at the back of the embryo that 'somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.' How could Muhammad, peace be upon him, have possibly known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677 A.D. (more than 1,000 years after Muhammad, peace be upon him]. They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract [The Developing Human, p.9] Professor Keith Moore is one of the world's prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled the "Developing Human", which has been translated into eight languages. This book is considered a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by on person. Dr. Keith Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said; "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been the messenger of God, or Allah [The reference for this statement is on 'This is the Truth' (video tape). For a copy of this video tape please contact us]. Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question, "Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?" He replied; "I find no difficulty in accepting this." During one conference, Professor Moore stated, "... because the stagein of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and Hadeeth (reliably transmitted sayings and reports of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the 7th century A.D. Although Eric Statle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the stagein and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century A.D. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training." [This is the Truth -video tape] ok ... this is wut the quran teaches u i think no one should be treated as an object but they should be treated as equal  it doesnt really seem as if the quran teaches any of that , but it teaches you to hate people and not except them for who they are which i think is wrong and wut kind of religion does that ( contains graphic images about the quran , but i suggest u to see it and believe it for urself wut the quran really is )  thas some scary shytt  umm why do u pakis hate jews so much :S? |
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Post by thaanedaar on Jun 21, 2008 7:38:53 GMT
^^^this gal can use brain too damn!! But i am sure no holy book teaches all that it is just they must be bending facts to get the words they like!!
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Post by 5abikuri10 on Jun 22, 2008 0:32:59 GMT
^^^this gal can use brain too d**n!! But i am sure no holy book teaches all that it is just they must be bending facts to get the words they like!! thank you quran does  |
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Post by AAG on Jun 23, 2008 12:52:37 GMT
^^^this gal can use brain too d**n!! But i am sure no holy book teaches all that it is just they must be bending facts to get the words they like!! thank you quran does I think you are getting your "facts" from all the wrong places, and I suggest you do first hand research, e.g. read the english Quran yourself before you start stating false facts about someones religion, it can come across as offensive. The internet is flooded with millions of untrue "facts" about Islam and many other religions, it's a bit like reading TheSun newspaper and believing every word you read. |
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Post by 5abikuri10 on Jun 23, 2008 13:21:23 GMT
thank you quran does I think you are getting your "facts" from all the wrong places, and I suggest you do first hand research, e.g. read the english Quran yourself before you start stating false facts about someones religion, it can come across as offensive. The internet is flooded with millions of untrue "facts" about Islam and many other religions, it's a bit like reading TheSun newspaper and believing every word you read. dont mean to offend anyone |
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Post by 5abikuri10 on Jun 23, 2008 23:06:38 GMT
thank you quran does I think you are getting your "facts" from all the wrong places, and I suggest you do first hand research, e.g. read the english Quran yourself before you start stating false facts about someones religion, it can come across as offensive. The internet is flooded with millions of untrue "facts" about Islam and many other religions, it's a bit like reading TheSun newspaper and believing every word you read. how do u no there false? do muslim girls not have equal rights in muslim countries .. are they not treated as an object. i dont even wana no anything about the quran like wut kind of religion i mean a real so called religion teaches u to hate people in such a hateful manner? ermmm (butcher there heads off for being a jew ) for example ..only stating true facts if u have a problem thas ur problem ;D |
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Post by mrshdhami on Jun 25, 2008 18:45:52 GMT
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Post by AAG on Jun 25, 2008 18:58:24 GMT
I think you are getting your "facts" from all the wrong places, and I suggest you do first hand research, e.g. read the english Quran yourself before you start stating false facts about someones religion, it can come across as offensive. The internet is flooded with millions of untrue "facts" about Islam and many other religions, it's a bit like reading TheSun newspaper and believing every word you read. how do u no there false? do muslim girls not have equal rights in muslim countries .. are they not treated as an object. i dont even wana no anything about the quran like wut kind of religion i mean a real so called religion teaches u to hate people in such a hateful manner? ermmm (butcher there heads off for being a jew ) for example ..only stating true facts if u have a problem thas ur problem ;D The Quran didn't tell those people to go behead jews, to hate on people and act like lunatics. I could turn around and ask you about the sikh people who beat up and kill muslims.....does your religion teach you that? NO! and i'm not dumb enough to ask such questions when I know religions promote peace and equality. I don't want to get into a lame forum argument, you aren't "stating facts". One persons or a groups actions doesn't represent the thoughts of ALL Muslims. I can go and google Sikh people comitting hate crimes but I find it pointless because I know Sikhism doesn't promote all that crap. |
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Post by mrshdhami on Jun 25, 2008 19:09:01 GMT
A - aggressive
A - argumentative
G – gem
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Post by AAG on Jun 25, 2008 19:11:27 GMT
me? arguementative ? never  |
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Post by 5abikuri10 on Jun 25, 2008 19:24:37 GMT
how do u no there false? do muslim girls not have equal rights in muslim countries .. are they not treated as an object. i dont even wana no anything about the quran like wut kind of religion i mean a real so called religion teaches u to hate people in such a hateful manner? ermmm (butcher there heads off for being a jew ) for example ..only stating true facts if u have a problem thas ur problem ;D The Quran didn't tell those people to go behead jews, to hate on people and act like lunatics. I could turn around and ask you about the sikh people who beat up and kill muslims.....does your religion teach you that? NO! and i'm not dumb enough to ask such questions when I know religions promote peace and equality. I don't want to get into a lame forum argument, you aren't "stating facts". One persons or a groups actions doesn't represent the thoughts of ALL Muslims. I can go and google Sikh people comitting hate crimes but I find it pointless because I know Sikhism doesn't promote all that crap. lol , and does the quran not teach u how to beat ur wife up ? hmmm sounds kind of disturbing for a religion to say that it seems as if the quran doesnt teach you how to treat people as equal for example ) jews.. what do they have against them that they have such haterd towards em that they have to saw there heads off and slaughter em  someone sure cant stand the truth... |
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Post by AAG on Jun 25, 2008 19:30:56 GMT
The Quran didn't tell those people to go behead jews, to hate on people and act like lunatics. I could turn around and ask you about the sikh people who beat up and kill muslims.....does your religion teach you that? NO! and i'm not dumb enough to ask such questions when I know religions promote peace and equality. I don't want to get into a lame forum argument, you aren't "stating facts". One persons or a groups actions doesn't represent the thoughts of ALL Muslims. I can go and google Sikh people comitting hate crimes but I find it pointless because I know Sikhism doesn't promote all that crap. lol , and does the quran not teach u how to beat ur wife up ? hmmm sounds kind of disturbing for a religion to say that it seems as if the quran doesnt teach you how to treat people as equal for example ) jews.. what do they have against them that they have such haterd towards em that they have to saw there heads off and slaughter em someone sure cant stand the truth... Believe what you want, I know the truth about my own religion. And no it doesn't teach you how to beat your wife. And not all Muslims hate jews. But hey, believe what you want because no matter what I say you will still believe the crap you hear and read. I'm done here. |
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Post by JackWilshere on Jun 25, 2008 21:25:45 GMT
Best to ignore her, the girl can't write a sentance never mind engage in a religious debate.
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Post by AAG on Jun 25, 2008 23:07:26 GMT
imagine if someone[jew] screwed you over and stabbed you in the back. how would you respond.? the jews destroyed the kaisereich so hitler raped them. Not all Jews are the same. |
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Post by AAG on Jun 25, 2008 23:20:02 GMT
How can you stereotype all Jews based on actions of the minority or majority of that group of people?
Do you personally know EVERY Jew on earth? Have you personally asked EVERY Jew for their views?
I think not, so to "hate" upon or to speak of all Jews in such a way is really you being naive and unfair.
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Post by AAG on Jun 26, 2008 1:53:27 GMT
Sabi and anyone else confused about islam, check out the link below. It will give you correct information about any of your misunderstandings. islamispeace.org.uk/itm.php?id_top=34#5And Sabi I highly recommend you read this webpage before you continue writing the way you do about Islam. It will only take you 5ish minutes to read. Thanks in advance |
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Post by realtonerecords on Jul 8, 2008 23:22:10 GMT
its true. the youngsters in ingland have lost their heritage/culture.
Me on the other hand: I'm celibate going on 15 years strong.
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Post by princess on Jul 10, 2008 4:57:49 GMT
umm i thought this was about a girl converting to islam?  and wassup with everyone being all rude and shyt.....  |
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Post by dipss on Jul 19, 2008 4:16:49 GMT
the link doesnt work for me:( and i really wanna see this vid...can someone hlpe me out!!??
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