I8FLKHOP
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Post by I8FLKHOP on May 11, 2009 1:24:00 GMT
I believe it is prohibited. Its more of a punjabi cultural thing that sikhi frowns upon. WJKK WJKF (in its non abbreviated form) is the proper salutation of one human to another no matter what the respective age, relation etc are.
read on
"The next vital change occurred when the Tenth Guru created the Khalsa. Since Guru Gobind Singh wanted a complete transformation of Sikh society, he ordered the overhauling of two fundamental institutions of the Sikhs. The first was the substitution of Khande di Pahul for Charan Pahul and the second was the substitution of Vahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguru Ji Ki Fateh for Pairi Pauna. Sarup Das Bhalla, Mahima Prakash, describes the end of the custom of the Charan Pahul graphically in the following verse:
The Guru collected the washing of his feet in a jar,
Sealed its mouth with wax,
And consigned it to the River Sutlej
In its place he now ordained Khande di Pahul
Thus, the practice of administering Charan Pahul was discarded and along with it was discarded the former mode of greeting, Pairi Pauna. In its place the Panth was now given a new salutation, a new form of greeting, Vahiguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vahiguru Ji Ki Fateh (Khalsa belongs to God, and to Him alone belongs the Victory)."
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on May 11, 2009 1:38:03 GMT
i will probably ask some giani ji at da gurudwara den believin in wat you believe
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I8FLKHOP
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Post by I8FLKHOP on May 11, 2009 2:08:14 GMT
i will probably ask some giani ji at da gurudwara den believin in wat you believe chotteywaddey veer, do you have your whole sikhi experience channeled thru your local paiji? daddu juice (deduce) karo based on tuhadi knowledge of sikh fundamental principles of equality and all bohti gall eh taan gyani ghooghal ji kolon push low if allt he information you gather...leads you to logically kanak loot that pairi pauna amongst humans/multicellular organisms should be allowed then thats an answer which you have some justification for. would rather here you say, yes its allowed, based on such and such justifications then you say..you are right, its not allowed, because my paiji said so |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on May 11, 2009 8:09:19 GMT
i think you are mixing up 2 diff things together..
The first nine Gurus of the Sikhs i.e. from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Tegh Bahadur at the time of initiating some one as a Sikh, into their fold, called dikhia, used to administer, charan-amrit, also called charan-pahul, prepared by washing their Sacred Feet. Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Guru of the Sikhs, modified the prevailing practice and introduced a novel method of initiation into the Order of Khalsa.
Guru Gobind Singh continued with the practice of administering amrit as a prerequisite for becoming a disciple. But, now, the amrit was of different kind and it was to be prepared in a different way. The Five, who had already been baptized, are to dissolve sugar plums (patasha) in pure water contained in a round bowl of steel while stirring it with the double-edged dagger called Khanda. These Five, called amritadhari, while preparing amrit, must also recite Japu Ji, Jap Sahib, Chaupai, Sawaiyai and portion of Anand Sahib, while sitting in vir-asan and in the Divine Presence of Guru Granth Sahib. These Five, moreover, ought to be perfect in physique, health and bearing.
Amrit, historically, therefore, in the Sikh tradition with its shifting of emphasis from charan (foot) to double edged dagger or Khanda, signifies a new kind of metamorphism, transforming a Sikh into Singh - a martial being - deified as Saint-solider enjoined to serve One and All.
do u see da difff ?? Hows touching Elder's feet in respect is prohibited in SGGS jiii ?
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Post by bubblysingh on May 13, 2009 22:45:56 GMT
i think you are mixing up 2 diff things together.. The first nine Gurus of the Sikhs i.e. from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Tegh Bahadur at the time of initiating some one as a Sikh, into their fold, called dikhia, used to administer, charan-amrit, also called charan-pahul, prepared by washing their Sacred Feet. Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Guru of the Sikhs, modified the prevailing practice and introduced a novel method of initiation into the Order of Khalsa.
Guru Gobind Singh continued with the practice of administering amrit as a prerequisite for becoming a disciple. But, now, the amrit was of different kind and it was to be prepared in a different way. The Five, who had already been baptized, are to dissolve sugar plums (patasha) in pure water contained in a round bowl of steel while stirring it with the double-edged dagger called Khanda. These Five, called amritadhari, while preparing amrit, must also recite Japu Ji, Jap Sahib, Chaupai, Sawaiyai and portion of Anand Sahib, while sitting in vir-asan and in the Divine Presence of Guru Granth Sahib. These Five, moreover, ought to be perfect in physique, health and bearing.
Amrit, historically, therefore, in the Sikh tradition with its shifting of emphasis from charan (foot) to double edged dagger or Khanda, signifies a new kind of metamorphism, transforming a Sikh into Singh - a martial being - deified as Saint-solider enjoined to serve One and All.do u see da difff ?? Hows touching Elder's feet in respect is prohibited in SGGS jiii ? as can be seen in the move away from "charan pahul" and away from the former salutation of "pair pauna" to waheguru ji ki fateh, the gurus wanted to move away from an environment where one human being was above in any way then another, this is in keeping with the egalitarian nature of sikhiism. Allthough, the SGGS (ji?) does not prohibit it literally, like many things in sikhi, one is to deduce (daddu juice) within the context of the teachings in SGGS. The SGGS was designed to be applicable to people of all cultures, not just those from India. The touching of the feet tradition exists in india, however not in other countries. If the issue had been directly addressed, it would have stamped a time and place on the SGGS. However by emphasizing the equality amongst all human beings, and the importance of knowledge, humility over traits like age and rituals, the SGGS did answer the question. Lets say, the people in mozambique wish to adopt the SGGS. They find the message of equality quite attractive. However, within their culture exists a practice where people with bigger eyelashes are to be worshipped by those with short eyelashes. Reading the SGGS would show them their error. Without someone having to look for a paragraph in SGGS where it says, 'thou shalt not favor those with long eyelashes'. Just as in the case of eyelashes, age is a natural phenomenon that has little correlation with wisdom, intellect etc. IF for example, Hitler was alive today anonymously, he would no doubt be quite old, but would you bow your head in front of HItler simply because he is old. When you bow in front of an elder, you have no idea what kind of life they have lived (wholesome, or sinfull), in fact no human being knows another human being well enough to bow their head in front of them. The SGGS gives us fundamental principles that we are to apply to all customs and traditions. say walk punjab ink |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on May 13, 2009 23:35:53 GMT
O Chal oye side ho... wadda aayiya aapni theory leke.. hitler da mama..
u make no sense at all. If you cnt see da diff between these 2.. den dunt tlk crap. If you are an american tattu..den dunt do it. Dunt bring sikhism or its principles widout having proper source. Simple
SGGS ji have said not to bow down to those Nakli babbes, but you can to your mom or dad or elders. Fudu
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Post by bubblysingh on May 14, 2009 0:13:01 GMT
defamation of my character does not win a debate,
"kaam krodh lobh MOH" ton bachao ji
moh is excessive love for your mom n dad where you bow down and stick your rear end up for them
respect is one thing, bowing down should not be confused for respect.
the only person you really know in this world is yourself and the SGGS
SGGS is the only entity worthy of bowing down in front of, not some baba...not some great grandfather nobody else
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on May 14, 2009 13:52:09 GMT
lol Now its also prohibited in your book of SGGS to have attachment with your own parents. Are you really sure that thats the proper defination of MOh? If it wasnt for the moh with your wives, kids, Then sikh men wud b pimping around. So wud da women. But not to get into furthur bakwas with you abt sikhism,
I will continue to do so. You may not. That aint mention in SGGS nowhere. So you can keep on chattin vehliyan..
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on May 15, 2009 4:32:13 GMT
Listen from 1.39
if every other american thinks like you, den shame on you ;D ;D
sala kehnda we shudnt bow down to em.. lolll
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