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Post by @kingofdesi on Mar 30, 2009 22:39:25 GMT
I would say no.
Explain your view if you are going to vote.
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Post by punjabidogg on Mar 30, 2009 22:48:04 GMT
why?
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Post by @kingofdesi on Mar 30, 2009 22:58:10 GMT
Because it is tough.
Most people who say the want Khalistan are NRI's and would not move back to live in a country like that, look at Pakistan that country is so far behind in everything they do. They people who live in Punjab right now would be part Khalistan and they would have a long way to go to become a respected country and some people would be worse off than they are now. If you take a look at Pakistan just imagine living in those kinds of conditions although all of us NRIs wouldn't even go back, so why give those people such a hard time who are in Punjab right now.
There are so many other points but these are just some simple things.
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Post by 50Cent on Mar 30, 2009 23:28:27 GMT
I AGREE WITH THE MOVEMENT, KHALISTAN ZINDABAD.
Sikhs need there homeland, because we are made to be second class citzens in india, we are 2% of the pop there, and dont have a say in anything, there have been alot of times, where Sikhs have been hard done. the movement reached its peak in 1980 under Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, because of government doings, we needed to UNITE, as many Sikhs were arrested for no reason, missing Singhs etc, where the government would kidnap.. So Sant Ji stood up represented the Sikhs, who had been robbed hard done. He spoke for many voices.
There would be alot of support for Khalistan from all the immgriants of india.
The geographical boundaries of Khalistan will include current East Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pardesh, part of Rajasthan and a small part of Uttar Pardesh. River Ravi on the west and river Jamuna on the east will be some of the boundary lines between Khalistan & Pakistan, Khalistan & India respectively. In the north, part of Himalayan range and in south, part of Thar Desert will make the geographical boundaries of Khalistan
WHAT I BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE KHALISTAN, WHEN WE ALL BECOME A FORCE. MAYBE NOT IN OUR GENERATION, BUT ONE DAYY.
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Post by @kingofdesi on Mar 31, 2009 0:03:24 GMT
Just look at Pakistan they haven't advanced anywhere that's what would happen to Khalistan. You can't expect to start a new country without going through trouble. No one in India even wants to talk about Khalistan it's only the people who live out here they think it'll be cool.
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Post by 50Cent on Mar 31, 2009 0:44:37 GMT
Just look at Pakistan they haven't advanced anywhere that's what would happen to Khalistan. You can't expect to start a new country without going through trouble. No one in India even wants to talk about Khalistan it's only the people who live out here they think it'll be cool. bro i dont no wot 2 say, cos i dont no where abts in india u go, or do u go pakistan, cos wen i went there i heard a vast amount of stories etc, i understand what ur saying, as in it would be hard to establish, but not when u all believe, ITS GONNA HAPPEN ONE DAY. SIKHS NEED THERE OWN STATE,COUNTRY, WHERE THERE DECISIONS ARE THERE ACTIONS, OWN LEADERS ETC. IM SURE PAKISTAN WOULD SUPPORT KHALISTAN, AND SO ON ,
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Post by dimpleraja on Mar 31, 2009 2:06:35 GMT
indian prime minister - Dr.Manmohan Singh . ex.army chief - general J .J . Singh
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Post by bhangraMuffin on Mar 31, 2009 13:39:04 GMT
Khalistan originally began as wanting equal rights as citizens, over the years – since the Indian government has continuously failed to deal with Sikh issues – it has been forced to develop into the notion of a separate nation for Sikhs, a separate homeland in which Sikhs can ensure the constitutional rights they are entitled.
Sikhs have continuously fought for constitutional rights for all – a drive that stems from the basis of Sikhism. However, Sikhs are denied these constitutional rights in India, a country they helped free. Legal agreements that the Indian Government once made with Sikhs have been broken. The Sikhs of Panjab have limited water and electricity supply, cutbacks on their farm produce, been denied religious freedom, and been brutally murdered and treated inhumanely by the Indian government, all of which is ironic since India played such a prominent role in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Discrimination to Sikhs in Panjab is further evident through the suppression of the Panjabi language and Sikh identity. The first langauge of Hindustan is Hindi, even in Panjab!
The Indian Government has rejected Sikhs of complete religious freedom. Article 25 of the Indian constitution – created to ensure religious security of all faiths – fails to recognise the separate identity of Sikhs, hence grouping Sikhism as a “Hindu religious institution”
This is just some very basic stuff from the overall picture.
Whether or not you feel Khalistan is the answer, as we approach 25 years since Operation Bluestar, it is important we all take steps to learn why so many innocent lives were lost.
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Post by The General on Mar 31, 2009 13:40:08 GMT
Because it is tough. Most people who say the want Khalistan are NRI's and would not move back to live in a country like that, look at Pakistan that country is so far behind in everything they do. They people who live in Punjab right now would be part Khalistan and they would have a long way to go to become a respected country and some people would be worse off than they are now. If you take a look at Pakistan just imagine living in those kinds of conditions although all of us NRIs wouldn't even go back, so why give those people such a hard time who are in Punjab right now. There are so many other points but these are just some simple things. Agree with you 100%. Its people abroad who are more facinated with this notion of khalistan, ask any one living there, they could care less. And "Sikhi" is lost, i've heard some crazy stories from friends who just came back from Punjab last week. Sh!t ain't the same... Another definition for you khalistani nutters... Khali = Empty Stan = Land
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Post by BabberSher on Mar 31, 2009 13:51:19 GMT
No. Honestly, how many of you would leave the UK, or US when/if we get it.... no one. Then all of our brothers and sisters would have to deal with another bloody border clusterfuk. The indian government isn't anything we can be super proud of, but the best way to deal with it is through elections, having younger people involved, having truthful (not corrupt) Atticus Finch type lawyers.... who fight for equal right & justice through the system. Making a whole new country is just a cop out & then the education, healthcare, economic problems & social strife are just not worth it. Also, look at how corrupt Punjabi politics allready is for that matter, or how backwards of a stance the Akal Takat sometimes are to women; the Punjabi politicians (Badal, etc.) are IGNORANT Greedy MORONS... Honestly, think clearly on this matter, i don't think we should support this movement. .
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Post by pakithug2nv on Mar 31, 2009 14:36:59 GMT
good luck in creating another gaza, darfur, bosnia, kashmir, apartheid
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Post by priti on Mar 31, 2009 14:47:04 GMT
There would've been no need had the British Empire not ruined things. There wouldn't have been Pakistan today either, which, by the looks of it, would have been a God-send. The mistake made was by Maharaja Ranjit Singh - if he had officially established his Empire, which was absoloutely huge, as a country then guaranteed there wouldn't have been the tragic events in 1984 nor the strife in those areas today.
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Post by rocco on Mar 31, 2009 15:53:41 GMT
I agree with the General and Bhangramuffin. If not Khalistan then definately for an independent Panjab where all Panjabis can live. I envision a day similar to to whenthe wall came down in Berlin; the wall btw india and pakistan will fall and their will be an united democratic Panjab!! I am a proud Panjabi I am NOT a proud Indian esp after 1984
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Post by 50Cent on Mar 31, 2009 16:15:08 GMT
I agree with the General and Bhangramuffin. If not Khalistan then definately for an independent Panjab where all Panjabis can live. I envision a day similar to to whenthe wall came down in Berlin; the wall btw india and pakistan will fall and their will be an united democratic Panjab!! I am a proud Panjabi I am NOT a proud Indian esp after 1984 BASICALLY I AGREE WITH THIS. WE NEED OUR OWN STATES, OUR OWN LAWS, THEN WE WILL PROSPER. OBVIOUSLY NOT EXTREME REGIME LIKE TALABAN. EL NINO EL NINO YOU HAVE YOU OPINION, BUT THIS IS A SIKH TOPIC, WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. ABOUT WHAT THE MOVEMENT IS AND WHO STANDS FOR IT.
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Post by bedroomdj on Mar 31, 2009 18:47:48 GMT
No - 2 reasons why i feel this way:
1) We cannot even run a Gurdwara properly let alone a whole country - look at all the scandles which occure within a single Gurdwara, with all the kuruption and such - do you honestly thing we could run a country?
2) Our Gurus and thoes Sikh Warriors fort all over India and Pakistain and i think even areas of Afghanistain - what is the point of them doing that when a group want to create there own country in an single area of India?
It's not right the way sikhs are being treated - i tottally agree - but cutting yourself off from the rest of India is not the answer - you should fight to keep the fire burning!
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Post by Sarpanch on Mar 31, 2009 19:19:29 GMT
No - 2 reasons why i feel this way: 1) W e cannot even run a Gurdwara properly let alone a whole country - look at all the scandles which occure within a single Gurdwara, with all the kuruption and such - do you honestly thing we could run a country?2) Our Gurus and thoes Sikh Warriors fort all over India and Pakistain and i think even areas of Afghanistain - what is the point of them doing that when a group want to create there own country in an single area of India? It's not right the way sikhs are being treated - i tottally agree - but cutting yourself off from the rest of India is not the answer - you should fight to keep the fire burning! The idea of Khalistan being a nation purely for Sikhs is going against our religion and everything which made the empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh great. It's msotly NRIs who want a Khalistan, I think ideologically its admirable but theoretically it would definitley fail.
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Post by JackWilshere on Mar 31, 2009 19:22:53 GMT
This is not going to happen, and it shouldn't, mainly because I feel that even with an independent state, the same problems/issues will persist, so whats the point?
There are issues with the way sikhs are treated by HINDUstan, with the attempts to water down sikhism, punjabi culture, language etc, but there wouldn't be these problems if the people of punjab were not so weak and stood up and fought, its seems like the real fighters died in the 80's and now punjab is full of people who don't care for the greater cause but their own personal situation, this is not going to change in khalistan either.
The people of Punjab will make or break the Punjab.
You can have Khalistan, but if people running khalistan are going to bend over and allow india to f**k them, then what's the point of Khalistan? Because this is what will happen. That is why I say forget about Khalistan, and hope that the people of Punjab sort themselves out.
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Post by pakithug2nv on Mar 31, 2009 21:13:18 GMT
I agree with the General and Bhangramuffin. If not Khalistan then definately for an independent Panjab where all Panjabis can live. I envision a day similar to to whenthe wall came down in Berlin; the wall btw india and pakistan will fall and their will be an united democratic Panjab!! I am a proud Panjabi I am NOT a proud Indian esp after 1984 BASICALLY I AGREE WITH THIS. WE NEED OUR OWN STATES, OUR OWN LAWS, THEN WE WILL PROSPER. OBVIOUSLY NOT EXTREME REGIME LIKE TALABAN. EL NINO EL NINO YOU HAVE YOU OPINION, BUT THIS IS A SIKH TOPIC, WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. ABOUT WHAT THE MOVEMENT IS AND WHO STANDS FOR IT. if your khalistan involves taking over india and thinking the pakistani's will have sympathy for you and help you den im involved.
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Post by 50Cent on Mar 31, 2009 21:44:11 GMT
BASICALLY I AGREE WITH THIS. WE NEED OUR OWN STATES, OUR OWN LAWS, THEN WE WILL PROSPER. OBVIOUSLY NOT EXTREME REGIME LIKE TALABAN. EL NINO EL NINO YOU HAVE YOU OPINION, BUT THIS IS A SIKH TOPIC, WHICH I DONT BELIEVE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. ABOUT WHAT THE MOVEMENT IS AND WHO STANDS FOR IT. if your khalistan involves taking over india and thinking the pakistani's will have sympathy for you and help you den im involved. lol whatever, u black sheep, u out caste. just u stir up things in topics, which ur a outsider, so I sussed you out,
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Post by harrysingh123 on Apr 1, 2009 1:50:10 GMT
I voted yes, and let me explain other than being a bloody clever chap ( which i bloooooody am!) on a serious note, it's worrying why nobody has mentioned which to me seems such an obvious thing right here...
I'm a big fan of Sant Bhindranwale, and followed him for a long time, I'd say I'm a religious Sikh and have followed Sikhi although I'm not 100% (as I'd like to be). However, being the devil's advocate, is this enough to build a country on, in a totally netural view, no, history and political examples have shown us, Iran has gone three steps backwards after becoming a country based on religion (nobody dare say to me their rocket launches make them more advanced, because you'd get laughed at by anybody who knows anything!)
However, Sikhi has lots of integral morals which if upheld effectively in Khalistan could mean it could become a substantially advanced country with great meaning and culture to it, however the key issue I was going to say was the economy... initially panjab or Khalistan would be very weak economically, however keep in mind our trade would also knock off about lets say (to be on the negative side) 30 - 40% of India's primary trade, BAD news for India,,,, PARTY TIME for Khalistan, because panjab is home to the majority of rural areas and primary trade, our economy would suffer a bust, boom, IF and a big IF it is intelligently managed (very hard to say it would be)
However, I am not in favour of a Khalistan where I can't go without wearing a pagg or without being Amritdhari, this I feel is an issue which concerns me the general split we have within Sikhs, alot of you guys don't know ALOT of stuff...
it worries me that one person is ready to become a shaheed yet others claim the only reason we shouldn't have Khalistan is because panjabis dont talk about it. It's a must for Sikhs to be independent not only because of history in India and how Sikhs have been treated like S#!t, but also because if somebody had a brain and knew how to work the economy (NOT gordon brown) it could be possible to live independently from India, I don't think a seperate country is the war forward at this moment in time, an entirely independent state is a must in my opinion, our own rights and our own land. so I'm YES for Khalistan if it didn't mean the current system staying in place, but more towards an independent state!
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Post by pakithug2nv on Apr 1, 2009 11:05:38 GMT
at the end of the day whether your discussing khalistan breaking off india or northern ireland splitting up...whenever their is a new country or idea's of a new country being talked about...the first thing that comes about is violence...n it lasts for a long time....you could take the most random example....greek cypriots and turkish cypriots...n thats on a small country that people dont even know about outside europe! what about serbia and bosnia etc?
these splits are all based on religion, language or culture....people should learn to live together...If India is treating you so badly why do you see all these Singhs celebrate when anything to do with India is mentioned from cricket to national days etc?
Sikhs already have an identity...you dont need a country to exist or to prove anything to anyone. If its such a problem...just get one of those Dubai companies to build you a man made island off the west coast of India.
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Post by harrysingh123 on Apr 1, 2009 11:15:35 GMT
at the end of the day whether your discussing khalistan breaking off india or northern ireland splitting up...whenever their is a new country or idea's of a new country being talked about...the first thing that comes about is violence...n it lasts for a long time....you could take the most random example....greek cypriots and turkish cypriots...n thats on a small country that people dont even know about outside europe! what about serbia and bosnia etc? these splits are all based on religion, language or culture....people should learn to live together...If India is treating you so badly why do you see all these Singhs celebrate when anything to do with India is mentioned from cricket to national days etc? Sikhs already have an identity...you dont need a country to exist or to prove anything to anyone. If its such a problem...just get one of those Dubai companies to build you a man made island off the west coast of India. Firstly, I'm not an indian and if you go to india and don't think 'shiiiit why have i booked my holiday for 3 weeks, one is enough' then I know you're lieing! It's not my home, nor is it any of yours, we're british panjabi Sikhs simple as, the majority of 'fake' unintegrated Sikhs here big up India because they fear integration and don't see England as their home (which is concerning) we should be proud of all our heritage not just pick and choose! yes be proud of being panjabi, but that is no way interlinked with India, I'm not agreeing with all these extremist idiots but I also disagree with the fact that we have a globally recognisable identity because we haven't.... On a lighter note, 15 goals in last 4 games,,, premiership all united's? MY ASSSSSS!!!!!!!
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Post by pakithug2nv on Apr 1, 2009 16:01:36 GMT
Liverpool have as much chance as winning the league as a liverpool player having his house burgled....oh wait
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Post by harrysingh123 on Apr 1, 2009 17:08:40 GMT
Liverpool have as much chance as winning the league as a liverpool player having his house burgled....oh wait LOL... tight Bas!*rds cant even leave em when they're representing the city either!!!
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Post by 50Cent on Apr 1, 2009 21:09:39 GMT
at the end of the day whether your discussing khalistan breaking off india or northern ireland splitting up...whenever their is a new country or idea's of a new country being talked about...the first thing that comes about is violence...n it lasts for a long time....you could take the most random example....greek cypriots and turkish cypriots...n thats on a small country that people dont even know about outside europe! what about serbia and bosnia etc? these splits are all based on religion, language or culture....people should learn to live together...If India is treating you so badly why do you see all these Singhs celebrate when anything to do with India is mentioned from cricket to national days etc? Sikhs already have an identity...you dont need a country to exist or to prove anything to anyone. If its such a problem...just get one of those Dubai companies to build you a man made island off the west coast of India. whatever, not all sikhs celebrate india winners, the lost ones might, this movement will advance, it has been written, it will happen. Khalistan will help improve each Singh, AND I TELL YOU THIS, when the force is united, IT WILL BE UNSTOPPABLE. Sikh preach peace, untill anyone tries to oppress.
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