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Post by gigteam on Dec 17, 2009 0:03:43 GMT
Sikhs not to be counted as seperate ethnic group for Census taking place on 27 March 2011 ! - Glen Watson ONS Census Director www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00pcjnvSee letter to Andrew Dismore MP www.andrewdismoremp.com/uploads/dc44135b-d2d9-ec44-19db-ae422d5243de.pdfNoticed that the letter is dated feb 2008 ! why has no one known or said anything about this till now when its too late as usual ------------------------------------------------------- Just seen this news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4675079.stm UK Parliament launches Sikh group London is home to the largest Sikh temple outside India A group of UK parliamentarians have set up a new group to help represent British Sikhs. Peers and MPs hope the group will help improve government decisions about issues affecting the Sikh community. The All Party Parliamentary Group for UK Sikhs (APPG) will be chaired by Wolverhampton South West MP Rob Marris. "The level of interest shown in the APPG from all parties is an excellent sign," he said, adding he hoped women and young people would contribute. Mr Marris added that he hoped Gurdwaras and other Sikh organisations would work with the APPG to ensure their views were properly presented to government. -------------------------------------------------------- Just wondered what this group actually did on this issue since July, 2005,? |
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Post by Sarpanch on Dec 17, 2009 22:26:11 GMT
Sikhism is not an ethnicity, it's a religion, hence why we're not listed as one.
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Post by thereturnofbugs on Dec 18, 2009 0:23:56 GMT
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Post by Kamlee on Dec 18, 2009 15:37:59 GMT
Pakistan sells Gurdwara land to Army
What can we do about this legally?
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Dec 18, 2009 20:45:51 GMT
sikhs are a panth. If we started making every panth an ethnicity then everyone would be divided upon ,millions of panths.
Regardless, sikhs are considered a race under Biritsh law.
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Post by Munda Jattan Da on Dec 18, 2009 23:40:06 GMT
Pakistan sells Gurdwara land to Army What can we do about this legally? WTF man, they cant do this, who the hell they think they are? they are mughals who came from arabia or w/e and attacked india so they ARE NOT in a position to tell us what they can do especially for a sacred religious building. If they do this then this will not only cause a riot. If we did this to their mosques in Punjab India then there would be a riot here so no way in hell should they be allowed to even try if not something needs to be done to PROTECT our religious buildings! f**kING PAKI TERRORIST pr!*kS! |
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Post by pakithug2nv on Dec 19, 2009 2:49:04 GMT
Grow the f*ck up ^^ Do you know anything about indian media? They like to focus on pakistan and cause tensions over bullsh!t just to cause beef. Do you think the same country that lets in millions of sikh pilgrims to visir holy sites around the country would do such a thing?
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Post by thereturnofbugs on Dec 19, 2009 12:15:51 GMT
The poster above is 100% correct. Indian media are cowardly Bas!*rds. Bugs |
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Post by Munda UK Da on Dec 19, 2009 18:08:22 GMT
Grow the f*ck up ^^ Do you know anything about indian media? They like to focus on pakistan and cause tensions over bullsh!t just to cause beef. Do you think the same country that lets in millions of sikh pilgrims to visir holy sites around the country would do such a thing? Correct! The India media is a bunch of rice eating bhain deh yaar hindus! They like to make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to Sikhs - I'm starting to think they are under insrtuctions of the indian govt to give us a bad name in the hope it will cause riots and give them 'authority' to start persecuting us again! |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 20, 2009 6:00:17 GMT
What if it has really been sold ? lol... You might be too quick to judge eh...
U think these british pakis are your apne if hindus r da worst? lol den god bless ingland.. haha
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 20, 2009 6:06:36 GMT
Grow the f*ck up ^^ Do you know anything about indian media? They like to focus on pakistan and cause tensions over bullsh!t just to cause beef. Do you think the same country that lets in millions of sikh pilgrims to visir holy sites around the country would do such a thing? Oh sorry yaar... didnt know that you have done PHD on indian media. Menu pak di loyalty and govt te puraaa yakeen aa.  So if pak media confirms abt this deal, plz enlighten us.  www.karachinews.net/story/579208 |
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Post by pakithug2nv on Dec 21, 2009 0:03:27 GMT
^ they are having an enquiry be grateful...if it was india it would have a mob evict you by burning your houses and killing your wives & children...where your complaints to foreign governments are falling on deaf ears..when you retaliate you are called a terrorist..
sound familiar?
1984, Ayodhya in 1992 against the muslims (babri masjid) and of course the recent rioting that happened in Punjab.
Pakistan has its own problems to deal with militants in its own country (balochistan/nwfp/Kashmir) and the afghan border. Do you really think it has time to make petty arguments....
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 21, 2009 6:31:02 GMT
Be grateful ? ahahaha yeah right buddy... Yeah den these terrorists are being funded by ISI which furthur has interest in envading imaginary khalistan. lol SO like what r u gonna sit here n talk abt history lessons n tell me that indian govt is fuked? DUnt we all know dat ? But is paki govt any better? Land has been sold, media has reported it, investigation is going on.. and you come n say OH ITS BULLS#!t .. saving pakistan for what ? Give this 84, 92 lessons to ur uk sikh mates who give a F Besharmi di hudd hogii ji... a pak friend is tellin me the flaws of my country .. loll... If congress mobs has killed ( AGAIN I USE THE TERM CONGRESS NOT THE MANGO PEOPLE) 14000 den what have pakis done ? You guys killed more den Lakh in 47 ehh. Ehnii vv angel nahi pak aale. Use these ISI tactics with you uk aale sikhs who hate india as equally as any paki. Vese v it doesnt really matter if british sikhs hate or love india. lol. If you are not born their, dunt have any memories and attachments den tecniqually you are not suppose to love it. Yeah Hate jinni marji karlo without any reason. I dunt know how it works for you guys in UK man but here we dunt take dat brainwashing S#!t abt our country from Pak friends as we also dunt talk S#!t abt theirs. |
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Post by sukhbirsingh84 on Dec 23, 2009 16:24:47 GMT
Perhaps the pro-indian canadian would like to compare the respective records of both countries with regard to communal slaughter of minorities since their creation in 1947? I can furnish you with full details if you like but in summary india's record is far,far worse. You mention partition yes there was great blood letting but importantly it was on all sides unlike the pogroms of 84 and 02.
I hold no loyalty to Lahore or Delhi and any Sikh that does is either stupid or misinformed i would have incuded delusional in the list but to me that's just sugar coating the stupid category.
Back to the thread the Mandla case did determine Sikhs as a ethnic group and it is something that we should strive towards. It is no secret that the goverment of india has been applying pressure on the British goverment to avoid this which should be enough for you to decide it is in the Sikh interest to be classified as such.
Finally how sad that someone who describes themselves as Sikh should write something like '84 tell someone who gives a *uck'
The events of 84 including the wholesale slaughter of men women and children should illicit a impassioned response amongst any sane human being...from someone who hails from the same community that suffered such tragedy to say 'who gives a *uck' is disgusting.
It saddens me to know such 'people' exsist amongst us, knowing that no jew in the world, regardless of their adherence to their faith, would ever even consider for a single moment writing such a thing with regard to the tragic events of their past.
It is truly shameful....Sardar? In which possible way,shape or form could you describe yourself as such? From what you have written human being seem's a stretch!
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Post by thereturnofbugs on Dec 23, 2009 17:22:14 GMT
Superb post The enemy is closer than you think. Bugs |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 23, 2009 22:18:27 GMT
Perhaps the pro-indian canadian would like to compare the respective records of both countries with regard to communal slaughter of minorities since their creation in 1947? I can furnish you with full details if you like but in summary india's record is far,far worse. You mention partition yes there was great blood letting but importantly it was on all sides unlike the pogroms of 84 and 02. I hold no loyalty to Lahore or Delhi and any Sikh that does is either stupid or misinformed i would have incuded delusional in the list but to me that's just sugar coating the stupid category. Back to the thread the Mandla case did determine Sikhs as a ethnic group and it is something that we should strive towards. It is no secret that the goverment of india has been applying pressure on the British goverment to avoid this which should be enough for you to decide it is in the Sikh interest to be classified as such. Finally how sad that someone who describes themselves as Sikh should write something like '84 tell someone who gives a *uck' The events of 84 including the wholesale slaughter of men women and children should illicit a impassioned response amongst any sane human being...from someone who hails from the same community that suffered such tragedy to say 'who gives a *uck' is disgusting. It saddens me to know such 'people' exsist amongst us, knowing that no jew in the world, regardless of their adherence to their faith, would ever even consider for a single moment writing such a thing with regard to the tragic events of their past. It is truly shameful....Sardar? In which possible way,shape or form could you describe yourself as such? From what you have written human being seem's a stretch! and you had to create a new account and hide behind dat name ? hahahaha... asal pehchan paki di... and let me get back to your repply. |
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Dec 23, 2009 22:34:35 GMT
Perhaps the pro-indian canadian would like to compare the respective records of both countries with regard to communal slaughter of minorities since their creation in 1947? I can furnish you with full details if you like but in summary india's record is far,far worse. You mention partition yes there was great blood letting but importantly it was on all sides unlike the pogroms of 84 and 02. I hold no loyalty to Lahore or Delhi and any Sikh that does is either stupid or misinformed i would have incuded delusional in the list but to me that's just sugar coating the stupid category. Back to the thread the Mandla case did determine Sikhs as a ethnic group and it is something that we should strive towards. It is no secret that the goverment of india has been applying pressure on the British goverment to avoid this which should be enough for you to decide it is in the Sikh interest to be classified as such. Finally how sad that someone who describes themselves as Sikh should write something like '84 tell someone who gives a *uck' The events of 84 including the wholesale slaughter of men women and children should illicit a impassioned response amongst any sane human being...from someone who hails from the same community that suffered such tragedy to say 'who gives a *uck' is disgusting. It saddens me to know such 'people' exsist amongst us, knowing that no jew in the world, regardless of their adherence to their faith, would ever even consider for a single moment writing such a thing with regard to the tragic events of their past. It is truly shameful....Sardar? In which possible way,shape or form could you describe yourself as such? From what you have written human being seem's a stretch! Whats the percentage of sikhs and hindus in the total population of paki ?? You can provide all the detail of records you like. But Mi really talking about the govt's role in it? Sikhs and muslims living in india r living peacefully den living in pakistan. if sikhs and muslims of india reunite, DUnt you think they can do much more den expected ? They can effin cause alot rukkas and take over anything. Govt di maa-thokni can be done in seconds man. Yes it was done all by the govt so what ? You want me to leave my country and move into yours ? Do i have better life in pakistan den in india ? Yeah right man. Atleast if govt tries to pull some S#!t on sikhs, They all stand and reunite! all these little incidents are happning cuz our own leaders r more into thier own interests den people's 84 things were diffrent. Sikhs had no idea of what was coming. They couldnt reunite. But today, we all know how much power we have if it comes to Stand up against Govt. Only if our akalis wudnt hav sold their sould to these leaders for power and money, we would have been in much better conditions. As to *dunt give a ef abt 84* i meant, i Need no paki to tell me S#!t abt 84. I know what caused it and its consequences. I know what it means to me and how should i live with it. Sikhs living outside INDIA are diffrent den living in india, hence they react diffrently to 84 when speak about it. They can hate india all they want, fund babbar khalsa, or create discussions makes no diff to sikhs living in india. I can sit here n talk all day abt Fukedup ness of Sri Lanka and convince a tamil to hate his country. Yup he will be against its govt but not against his motherland. But it will be diffrent when i speak to a tamil who hasnt been their all his life and know nun abt it. He will hate lANKa for sure. As your opinion carries no value and makes no diff to me i could care less what you think of me as a sardar or human being. And the bottom line is, If i have to do something to protect my identity and religion, i wont consult any paki or get his 2 cents. Yes as i was born and raised in india, that does make me PRO-INDIAN. Im proud of where i was born and love it with full passion and if you think that a newly borned sikh should automatically start hating on india OR all sikhs should hate on india den you are fuked in the head. A paki or british showing up and tellin me abt 84 just to justify his point of view seems funny to me. People who have problem with govt policies, they stand up and fight for it. They dunt run away, blame innocent billion for it. Nice try whoever you are. ;D |
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Post by sukhbirsingh84 on Dec 28, 2009 16:23:13 GMT
Whats the percentage of sikhs and hindus in the total population of paki ??You can provide all the detail of records you like. But Mi really talking about the govt's role in it? Three million Hindus live in Pakistan and since 1947 have not been subject to the mass communal killings that have been often seen in india in its 63 year history. The goverment of india was not only complicit in the massacre of Sikhs and desecration of their gurudwaras in 1984 but was also the engineer of these atrocities. The same could be said of the state goverment of Gujrat in 2002 there are many more examples. Sikhs and muslims living in india r living peacefully den living in pakistan. if sikhs and muslims of india reunite, DUnt you think they can do much more den expected ? They can effin cause alot rukkas and take over anything. Govt di maa-thokni can be done in seconds man. No they are not. Sikhs and muslims in Pakistan have not been subject to the massacres they have suffered in India. They can cause a lot of rukkas? Do you actually read what you write? If I understand you correctly what you are saying is that Sikhs 2% of the population and Muslims could collectively 'take over' the state of india? Should this really warrant a response? Yes it was done all by the govt so what ? You want me to leave my country and move into yours ? Do i have better life in pakistan den in india ? Yeah right man. Atleast if govt tries to pull some S#!t on sikhs, They all stand and reunite! So what? You mean so what the indian goverment engineered inititiated and carried through the mass extermination of a singular community? You mean so what that the indian goverment over saw the desecration of a minorities places of worship? So what that they encouraged and incited the gang rape and molestation of women and children ranging in age from 7 to 70? So what that they conspired the complete economic collapse of a group of people through arson and loot? So what that they have made sure that the impunity of those that carried out their plans has been assured for the last twenty five years? So what that those that saw their mother raped or their son burned alive shall never see justice on this earth? So what? Coming on the back of your comment '84 who gives a *uck' should I be surprised? Sickened is more accurate. all these little incidents are happning cuz our own leaders r more into thier own interests den people's;D Little incidents? Harmandirs sarovar turned red with blood, the Akal Takhat razed to the ground, 8,000 Sikhs butchered in three day's, more than a hundred thousand (who knows the true figure) executed by the state in little over a decade. Little incidents? Ask someone who has lost a loved one or someone that has to care every day for someone permanently handicapped by the torture she received at the hands of the indian 'security' forces. 84 things were diffrent. Sikhs had no idea of what was coming. They couldnt reunite. But today, we all know how much power we have if it comes to Stand up against Govt. Only if our akalis wudnt hav sold their sould to these leaders for power and money, we would have been in much better conditions.;D So you think things are different now? In what way? If anything the fact that we have people like you who still hold an allegiance to the state of india shows our position is weaker today. As to *dunt give a ef abt 84* i meant, i Need no paki to tell me S#!t abt 84. I know what caused it and its consequences. I know what it means to me and how should i live with it. Sikhs living outside INDIA are diffrent den living in india, hence they react diffrently to 84 when speak about it. They can hate india all they want, fund babbar khalsa, or create discussions makes no diff to sikhs living in india. I can sit here n talk all day abt Fukedup ness of Sri Lanka and convince a tamil to hate his country. Yup he will be against its govt but not against his motherland. But it will be diffrent when i speak to a tamil who hasnt been their all his life and know nun abt it. He will hate lANKa for sure.;D There are three possible responses to account for what you wrote. Firstly you didnt write it, which given that its here to read is not an option. Secondly what you wrote was not what you meant to convey.This again is not an option given the unequivcal nature of what you wrote 'dont give a ef' is hardly ambigious. It leaves no room for interpretation and no amount of cowardly back peddaling is going to change that fact. The final option is to apologise but frankly I think (though I would like to be proved wrong) that this option is above you. As your opinion carries no value and makes no diff to me i could care less what you think of me as a sardar or human being. And the bottom line is, If i have to do something to protect my identity and religion, i wont consult any paki or get his 2 cents. Yes as i was born and raised in india, that does make me PRO-INDIAN. Im proud of where i was born and love it with full passion and if you think that a newly borned sikh should automatically start hating on india OR all sikhs should hate on india den you are fuked in the head. A paki or british showing up and tellin me abt 84 just to justify his point of view seems funny to me. People who have problem with govt policies, they stand up and fight for it. They dunt run away, blame innocent billion for it.;D If my opinion is of no consequence to you then why are you replying to what is my opinion? If others opinion's are of no value to you, why do you frequent message boards, which by their very nature are portals to the opinions of others?. Proud to be indian or proud of india. Proud of what exactly? A state that is a construct of British colonialism? A state that in its 63 year history has persecuted and massacred its minority communities? The opppression of Sikhs in that country your so proud of began even before its inception, once created the anti Sikh policies began in earnest. As a example which is only one of many. The newly appointed governer of Punjab Sir Chandu Lal under the newly formed goverment in which you have so much pride, wrote a confidential policy letter for the attention of all D.C. and superintendents of police in East punjab it read " The Sikhs are a lawless people and were thus a menace to the law abiding hindus in the province" It called upon them to take "special measures against them". This is dated October 10th 1947 less than two month's after the creation of your much loved state! The terrible irony being that these lawless people ie the Sikhs had spilt 87% of the blood in order to realise the state of india in the first place. From that point forward, from less than two month's after its creation to this very day the persecution has been incessant. I can provide innumerable examples. Since you seem quite young allow me to give you just a few recent examples of your much admired country. Sajjan Kumar won the largest majoriety vote of any politician in the 2004 general election.He was one of not the most prominently associated of all MP's in the November pogroms/massacre.What does that say about his constituents? There are still many more like him and those that are not in politics today arent sidelined they are mostly retired but yet living the good life as Delhi's high society figures,living a life of impunity.The same can be said of many of the police officers incriminated who were elevated to high positions in the aftermath of the massacres as reward for their contributions...some of these are amongst the highest ranking officers and those retired are still respected members of indian civil society....now thats a sentence that is a contradiction in terms. If his constituents are not representative enough for you.We can reveal the true feelings of most indians just by looking at the 2004 general election in its entirety.Did you know it was the Gandhi name ie Indira and Rajiv that won the election for Sonia? Allowing her to install a puppet manmohan.Bare in mind the people that these indians voted for indira and rajiv who were respectively responsible for the worst atrocities against Sikhs(bluestar/Nov pogroms)in contemporary history?These are the people that most indians revere?. This can be seen by the following perversity.. Do you know the indians voted en-masse for indira to be the woman of the century allowing her to be named rather than mother Teresa? HKL Bhagat a man described as the architect of the pogroms/massacre was given something akin to a state funeral in 2006....what does that tell you about the indian attitude to Sikh suffering? Supporting a state despite overwhelming evidence of its wrongdoing does not make one a patriot. It does the exact opposite.If you love something or someone you should be the first to bring their faults to their attention not bury your head in the sand and hope the truth will never be revealed. Loyalty to a concept that is a mere 63 years of age, which in the context of history is not even the blink of an eye. The Sikh raj under the misls and Maharaja Ranjit Singh has a greater claim to legitimacy on the grounds of longevity! You are clearly someone whose loyalty is easily given, in my experience easily given is easily taken. No matter, the Sikh panth requires quality not quantity not those that say 'who gives a ef' or 'who cares'. A Sardar is someone who very much gives an ef and who certainly cares. 'Dhaul, Dharam Daya Ka Poot' Nice try whoever you are. ;D I know exactly who I am, you should perhaps pose that question to yourself..... |
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Post by Munda Jattan Da on Dec 29, 2009 8:01:18 GMT
I dont want to quote ur post cuz its bare long but i do wna say this, sikhs might be a minority of india but that 2/3% which primarily belongs to Punjab, India , are not only the bread basket of India but we were one of the main driving forces when it came to securing India's independance. So to say what a minority can do compared to a population of the size of india is wrong, we have proven that we can bring down the so called world largest colonial empire.
What I want to argue is this, during 1984, I agree with desi underground, the whole situation was completely out of the blue, if you see what the mindsets of sikhs during this period was prior to 1984, it was just couple of decades into the independance of India and I dont think any Sikh would have foreseen the events that happened. Especially that our hindu counterparts would attack us like they did in the 4 day rioting.
The argument of 1984 is this, during the partition of India into Pakistan, Pakistan demanded that lahore and the now known as Pakistan Punjab be in their country. This obviously was not fair for Sikhs who were not only settled in these places but some of our beloved Gurus and sacred religious buildings were established there. Now obviously with your above view that the small percentage cannot do anything against the hindu population of India, here I agree this does have a major impact as the india govt. does not take us seriously and they think they can treat us however they want.
With the tensions of the, then, India government and our small percentage, the govt. and the Pakistani govt. did not see that that land pakistan demanded was Sikhs and they do not realise that that land belonged to Sikhs before the moghuls arrived, (they came from afganistan and the middle east) and that Maharajah Ranjit Singh had made Lahore the capital city of punjab.
Now with 1984 and the relationship with India especially the India govt., I am strongly in favour of Khalistan because if Pakistan are selling our Gurudwara land which was there BEFORE them then I cannot feel safe and I bet the Sikh community in that area and the rest of India and Pakistan do not feel safe. We need our own land, with our own government who do not suck up to the Indian government, they have let us down and its clear now Sikhs need our own identity which we can be proud of.
The corrupt Punjab government who won't do anything for Sikhs is wrong, the whole police, army where Sikhs are supossed to be protecting us are infact against us. The general in command of 1984 assult was a Sikh which cant put into words how low this has come for us. We need to stop this bullS#!t and fight for what the Guru's gave their lives for.
KHALISTAN ZINDABAND!
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Post by inderpaul on Jan 8, 2010 0:32:58 GMT
I dont want to quote ur post cuz its bare long but i do wna say this, sikhs might be a minority of india but that 2/3% which primarily belongs to Punjab, India , are not only the bread basket of India but we were one of the main driving forces when it came to securing India's independance. So to say what a minority can do compared to a population of the size of india is wrong, we have proven that we can bring down the so called world largest colonial empire. What I want to argue is this, during 1984, I agree with desi underground, the whole situation was completely out of the blue, if you see what the mindsets of sikhs during this period was prior to 1984, it was just couple of decades into the independance of India and I dont think any Sikh would have foreseen the events that happened. Especially that our hindu counterparts would attack us like they did in the 4 day rioting. The argument of 1984 is this, during the partition of India into Pakistan, Pakistan demanded that lahore and the now known as Pakistan Punjab be in their country. This obviously was not fair for Sikhs who were not only settled in these places but some of our beloved Gurus and sacred religious buildings were established there. Now obviously with your above view that the small percentage cannot do anything against the hindu population of India, here I agree this does have a major impact as the india govt. does not take us seriously and they think they can treat us however they want. With the tensions of the, then, India government and our small percentage, the govt. and the Pakistani govt. did not see that that land pakistan demanded was Sikhs and they do not realise that that land belonged to Sikhs before the moghuls arrived, (they came from afganistan and the middle east) and that Maharajah Ranjit Singh had made Lahore the capital city of punjab. Now with 1984 and the relationship with India especially the India govt., I am strongly in favour of Khalistan because if Pakistan are selling our Gurudwara land which was there BEFORE them then I cannot feel safe and I bet the Sikh community in that area and the rest of India and Pakistan do not feel safe. We need our own land, with our own government who do not suck up to the Indian government, they have let us down and its clear now Sikhs need our own identity which we can be proud of. The corrupt Punjab government who won't do anything for Sikhs is wrong, the whole police, army where Sikhs are supossed to be protecting us are infact against us. The general in command of 1984 assult was a Sikh which cant put into words how low this has come for us. We need to stop this bullS#!t and fight for what the Guru's gave their lives for. KHALISTAN ZINDABAND! as long as you got "sikhs" identifying themselves by their caste/tribe, the sikh identity will never become recognized by the outside world case in point "munda JATTAN da" |
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Jan 15, 2010 22:43:27 GMT
oh please do shut up. As if jatt sikhs don;t identify themselves as sikhs?
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