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Post by Kid aka Mrs Dhoni =] on Jul 12, 2006 16:35:16 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]wot kinda thread r we ment 2 make this den? ppl died if u dnt no![/glow] whats the point of peeps typing 'RIP', jus ruins the thread [glow=red,2,300]wer onli showing our respect...[/glow]
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Post by Batista on Jul 12, 2006 16:45:08 GMT
^^ nice point made...the members aint the only ppl lookin at this thread...der might be ppl hu lost their relatives lookin at the thread..good to show them our respect..
...R.I.P
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Post by shalin on Jul 12, 2006 17:24:29 GMT
www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1818564,00.html These so-called "Kashmiri militants" or "separatists" have denied involvement in Mumbai train "attacks." I'm sure this doesn't matter to anyone because the majority have already put the blame on Muslims without ever once questioning the validity of the claim by the government. (copy the entire link...it won't work if you just click because of the commas)
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 18:13:45 GMT
The reason why the 'kashmiri militants' are blamed is because they have a track record of bombings in india, where THEY HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY, that is the ONLY reason. If there were sikh/hindu groups who had previously attacked india numerous times and TAKEN responsibility then they would be under suspicion too.
Also no1 blamed 'muslims'.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 18:20:28 GMT
^^ nice point made...the members aint the only ppl lookin at this thread...der might be ppl hu lost their relatives lookin at the thread..good to show them our respect.. ...R.I.P i doubt 1 day after the death of realtives peeps will be on Punjab2000's 'music section'. But still.......... R.I.P
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Post by pakithug2nv on Jul 12, 2006 19:05:31 GMT
The reason why the 'kashmiri militants' are blamed is because they have a track record of bombings in india, where THEY HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY, that is the ONLY reason. If there were sikh/hindu groups who had previously attacked india numerous times and TAKEN responsibility then they would be under suspicion too. Also no1 blamed 'muslims'. if u blame people on track record...the blame for 7/7 would have gon to the irish and people are blaming muslims....they just tryng to sweeten it up 2 things - dont get into politics or religious extremism your life will be fine then
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Post by Cruel on Jul 12, 2006 19:42:44 GMT
what does Juggy D/b21/shinda/jazzy b/Taz/PMC/DrZeus/DJSanj got to do with any of this...
im sorry, but this needs to be in a different forum heading, this one is under MUSIC.
since they made a heading under sport since i bragged on how Liverpool was the greatest english team ever...make one under politics, breaking world news or something
I am sorry to the families and victims of this tragedy, but this is the wrong forum...most of u are discussing politics about dikheadz like cheney/bush and blair...talk AMW4, Colloborations/Represent and how TAZ might be queer ....ok homie......
ps: a hip hop forum doesnt talk about 9/11
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Post by x*x*x(R0J££)x*x*x on Jul 12, 2006 20:12:46 GMT
what does Juggy D/b21/shinda/jazzy b/Taz/PMC/DrZeus/DJSanj got to do with any of this... im sorry, but this needs to be in a different forum heading, this one is under MUSIC. since they made a heading under sport since i bragged on how Liverpool was the greatest english team ever...make one under politics, breaking world news or something I am sorry to the families and victims of this tragedy, but this is the wrong forum...most of u are discussing politics about dikheadz like cheney/bush and blair...talk AMW4, Colloborations/Represent and how TAZ might be queer ....ok homie...... ps: a hip hop forum doesnt talk about 9/11
fuks sake dunt matter were this thread goes theres more important things in life dan decidin were threads go show sum repect for gods sake
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Post by Kid aka Mrs Dhoni =] on Jul 12, 2006 21:06:53 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]im sure it was onli 8 bombs, not 12!... [/glow]
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 22:04:51 GMT
The reason why the 'kashmiri militants' are blamed is because they have a track record of bombings in india, where THEY HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY, that is the ONLY reason. If there were sikh/hindu groups who had previously attacked india numerous times and TAKEN responsibility then they would be under suspicion too. Also no1 blamed 'muslims'. if u blame people on track record...the blame for 7/7 would have gon to the irish and people are blaming muslims....they just tryng to sweeten it up 2 things - dont get into politics or religious extremism your life will be fine then Therz a simple reply 2 your post, ireland have a truce with the british goverment, the IRA have called an end to violence. 2nd, it was suicide bombings, which are a tactic only used by muslim terrorists. 3rd, al qaeda said they were gonna attack. 4th, the police quicky found out who the guys were. I aint got nothing against no1, i jus think if terrorists of ANY religion or 'cause' attack, then the goverment need to control sh1t.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 22:10:35 GMT
what does Juggy D/b21/shinda/jazzy b/Taz/PMC/DrZeus/DJSanj got to do with any of this... im sorry, but this needs to be in a different forum heading, this one is under MUSIC. since they made a heading under sport since i bragged on how Liverpool was the greatest english team ever...make one under politics, breaking world news or something I am sorry to the families and victims of this tragedy, but this is the wrong forum...most of u are discussing politics about dikheadz like cheney/bush and blair...talk AMW4, Colloborations/Represent and how TAZ might be queer ....ok homie...... ps: a hip hop forum doesnt talk about 9/11 Tony as the MOD aint moved the thread so every1's posting.
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Post by pakithug2nv on Jul 12, 2006 22:55:44 GMT
2nd, it was suicide bombings, which are a tactic only used by muslim terrorists. suicide bombings werent used by muslims at first...it was sum next ppl dat made it up
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Post by shalin on Jul 12, 2006 23:04:13 GMT
The reason why the 'kashmiri militants' are blamed is because they have a track record of bombings in india, where THEY HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY, that is the ONLY reason. If there were sikh/hindu groups who had previously attacked india numerous times and TAKEN responsibility then they would be under suspicion too. Also no1 blamed 'muslims'. Just take a look at the Indian media networks. You'll see what I mean by people blaming Muslims. And may I ask, why do you say 'attacked India'? Since when was this an attack against a country? Why is it that everything that happens in any western (yes, India is basically the West) nation, or to the people of the West, whether they be in the East at the time or not, considered an attack against the country where they live? It seems as though you have not heard of the Hindutva. That is a terrorist group which has 'attacked India' (a phrase used if I were to define the Hindutva the same way you define these Kashmiris) many times, primarily in Gujarat. Why are they not under suspicion? Oh, wait, the Hindutva controls the government. It's so easy for people to be sucked into what they hear on the news. I must hand it to those in power though. It is definitely the best method when trying to control the thoughts of your populace.
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Post by shalin on Jul 12, 2006 23:26:44 GMT
if u blame people on track record...the blame for 7/7 would have gon to the irish and people are blaming muslims....they just tryng to sweeten it up 2 things - dont get into politics or religious extremism your life will be fine then Therz a simple reply 2 your post, ireland have a truce with the british goverment, the IRA have called an end to violence. 2nd, it was suicide bombings, which are a tactic only used by muslim terrorists. 3rd, al qaeda said they were gonna attack. 4th, the police quicky found out who the guys were. I aint got nothing against no1, i jus think if terrorists of ANY religion or 'cause' attack, then the goverment need to control sh1t. There's no such thing as religious extremism. It is only portrayed in that way because most kuffar do not understand Islam and they do not wish to even attempt to, aside from those who end up converting on their own. You're right about trying to 'sweeten it up'. They try to avoid using the word Muslim as much as they can, by naming off the group in Kashmir, using 'Pakistani' (as though every Muslim Desi is somehow Pakistani?), using 'terrorist', and so on and so on. To the majority, people won't see that as being anything sinister, but of course, the first picture in your mind when you hear those words will probably be the face of some Muslim that you've seen on the news, portrayed as doing something 'bad'. As for 7/7, I'm surprised the truth movement in the UK hasn't become as large as the 9/11 Truth movement here in the states. It's funny how just recently, I read an article from the BBC on how Hindus don't want to be labeled 'Asian' (and rather have their own label of 'Hindu') anymore because it groups them together with other Asians. As you read on into the article, they talk about how they don't want to be confused with any other people, but you can tell they're trying to separate themselves from Muslims because of the ignorance of some. Anyway, here's something for the users here. www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/270606londonbomber.htmThis is pretty much just like Usama bin Laden, a CIA asset for America who has been labeled dead, then alive, then dead, then alive, etc., so many times, but right when the level of fear in America goes down, boom, there's a new video. All of these so-called 'attacks' are to fool the public into thinking there's some sort of international terror network of some sort. It's almost funny, actually, when you hear people using those catch phrases...'Islamic extremists', 'group linked to al-Qaida', so on and so on. Does anyone ever for once think that they could be lied to, that they are just putting the blame on someone so that word or phrase latches onto your mind? Whenever people hear the word Nazi, they always think of the Holocaust, then change their thoughts to the poor innocent Jews. No, I don't have anything against Jews, I have a problem with Zionism. It's the same technique. Zionism used the Holocaust to gain sympathy for the creation of Israel, and America and the UK created it, knowing they now have a strategic ally in the Middle East when they go on their wars together. Both bendover for Israel. When it comes to Muslims, whenever you hear Islam, pretty soon you'll think up something negative, whether you have problems with Muslims or not, you'll think it up. It's because of the wording used by the media. If you don't get what I mean, watch this documentary called 'Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land'. It's about Palestine and the media controlled networks in the West, in how they portray the massacre being committed there. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696KidTerra, it's funny how you bring up the fact that the 'government quickly found out who the guys were'. If anyone remembers the 'official story' of what happened on 9/11 (even that has been latched onto your minds - think about it, same with 7/7), the Administration, FBI, NYPD, etc., all claimed that they found passports of the so-called 'hijackers' right in the middle of Ground Zero (what they called the WTC, another form of propaganda, to mess with the people's emotions). How is it that so many bodies were not even recovered from the planes, yet pieces of paper were? How is it that they concocted this entire tale of how they were at a bar in Florida, with hookers and stuff, yet claim they were Muslim extremists? It's obviously haram to drink, obviously haram to fornicate with someone who is not your wife or husband, obviously haram to have relationships that could become sexual and are not known by your parents, and so on. Does anyone ever once think about this? As for the usage of the term 'terrorist', please use some common sense. Using it on civilians is just as degrading as calling someone a n****r or any other derogatory term. Terrorism can't be committed by a few people. If you want to look at a terrorist, look at your own governments. These are the real terrorist organizations. Pretty soon, nobody will be allowed to say that, unless that news hasn't spread to the UK yet, about how there are corporations which are trying to 'buy' the Internet, to make it more 'neutral' (in essence ridding forever all information which is contradictory to what governments want you to believe). Please watch this documentary, called Terrorstorm. There is a lot on 7/7 here. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710767957407328313
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 23:40:22 GMT
2nd, it was suicide bombings, which are a tactic only used by muslim terrorists. suicide bombings werent used by muslims at first...it was sum next ppl dat made it up YES they were. It was an iranian 'concept'. But the japanese in the 2nd world war developed the 'kamikaze'.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 12, 2006 23:45:36 GMT
The reason why the 'kashmiri militants' are blamed is because they have a track record of bombings in india, where THEY HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY, that is the ONLY reason. If there were sikh/hindu groups who had previously attacked india numerous times and TAKEN responsibility then they would be under suspicion too. Also no1 blamed 'muslims'. Just take a look at the Indian media networks. You'll see what I mean by people blaming Muslims. And may I ask, why do you say 'attacked India'? Since when was this an attack against a country? Why is it that everything that happens in any western (yes, India is basically the West) nation, or to the people of the West, whether they be in the East at the time or not, considered an attack against the country where they live? It seems as though you have not heard of the Hindutva. That is a terrorist group which has 'attacked India' (a phrase used if I were to define the Hindutva the same way you define these Kashmiris) many times, primarily in Gujarat. Why are they not under suspicion? Oh, wait, the Hindutva controls the government. It's so easy for people to be sucked into what they hear on the news. I must hand it to those in power though. It is definitely the best method when trying to control the thoughts of your populace. i like to think i dont get sucked in by the media. I agree with you that there are 'hindu' powers in the country who's aims are to keep in check the minority, whether the muslims or the sikhs. Just the same way there are 'powers' in america.
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Post by shalin on Jul 12, 2006 23:56:19 GMT
2nd, it was suicide bombings, which are a tactic only used by muslim terrorists. suicide bombings werent used by muslims at first...it was sum next ppl dat made it up Thank you. At least someone else knows that. They make it seem as though this is some sort of thing that Islam preaches. AstaghfirAllah, anyone with common sense would realize that suicide is condemned in all religions. Look at the countries from which suicide bombings have been reported on the most - Palestine (I really don't care how many of you may have a problem with that, but I don't recognize Israel as being legitimate), Iraq, Afghanistan, and maybe one or two others. What's going on in Palestine? Israel has done worse to the Palestinian people (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) than what was done to the European Jews (with practically no direct blood coming from what is and always will be Palestine) by the Nazi regime. Just a sidenote, don't any of you find it rather bad that Germany will jail anyone who questions the Holocaust or says anything bad about Jews, thus forcing the people to think about their so-called 'history' all the time? Might I add, parts of Lebanon and Syria are also occupied by Israel, thus the need for armed men to help protect the people living in these areas from Israel. Yet, the media portrays them as terrorists, especially when they retaliate. Yes, so many are led to believe that what Palestinians do, what Iraqis do, what Afghanis do, what Indian/Pakistani Muslims do, etc., anywhere that there's a Muslim population and also a conflict, many are led to believe that the Muslim side is the reason for the conflict. If anyone had some common sense, you would see that it is a response. Every Palestinian has lost at least one family member, or knows someone who has lost a family member, by being killed by Israelis. If you haven't realized, Israeli settlers are armed with rifles, as are the soldiers which protect their high-class homes in what can compare to the white suburbias of America, clean streets, green grass, the smoothest of roads, etc. The reason for suicide bombers there is obviously a lack of reason for survival. In no way should Muslims (or non-Muslims for that matter) condone the suicide of another, but just compare it to 'normal' suicides. People sometimes commit suicide when their girlfriend or boyfriend breaks up with them, when they've lost all their money, when they just can't take it anymore. Well, try having your parents shot up in front of your eyes, living in a town which is surrounded by a wall that's over 20 feet high, not being allowed to leave the town, being forced to drink water which has been contaminated and will probably kill you, being under constant surveillance by Israeli forces which are roaming your streets and watching you from the walls, tanks all around, hearing missiles flying over your heads everyday, hitting targets and then hearing the media claim they were militants that were killed. How is anyone to know if those militants were actually little kids throwing rocks? None of us would want to imagine living like that, nor would we want to. InshAllah if I could, I'd love to go to Palestine myself, make my own documentary with scenes from there, but those usually would not leave the country and would be destroyed. What's going on in Iraq? Iraq has been under American occupation since 2003. Has anyone realized by now how little coverage there is as to the amount of people which are murdered there everyday? America and England both claim they have not gone into masjids and shot up people. If I wanted to really show you what it's like in Iraq, I would post up the sh*tload of pictures I have of what's left of masjids, what's left of people when they were praying. Nobody wants a brutal military occupation taking place in their country. If what's going on in Iraq and Palestine were taking place in the UK or America, by a much stronger military (which is literally impossible, since out of all the military spending in the entire world, America alone makes up over half of it), I'm sure there would be people trying to fight back, making their own homemade missiles and trying to save their families from being killed, or even, unfortunately, killing themselves. Afghanistan is barely reported on now, but yet, it was invaded in 2001. There are suicide bombings there, American troops are still dying there, so are the people. It's just disgusting that anyone could even once use the phrase Islamic extremists or Muslim terrorists, and so on and so on, when the Western people in your governments, and in your militaries, are doing much worse than what the media claims is being done by Muslims. I am not taking off all blame for whatever a Muslim may have done. Allahu Alim...only Allah knows what rights and wrongs people have done, but the way it is portrayed by other human beings is obviously baqwaas. Claiming that suicide bombings are committed only by these so-called Muslim extremists is bigotry on the part of anyone who says it, even if it's a Muslim who acknowledges it as extremism and connects it to Islam. Just recently, a white man tried to kill himself up by setting off bombs in his home in New York City due to a bad relationship. It was all over the news. Do you know why there wasn't an outrage? Because the media never put any emphasis on his religion or his race...they referred to him by name, as a person, as a human being. Sure people were saying how it's a stupid thing to do, but it's not like what they say when a Muslim (or even a non-Muslim...not all suicide bombers in Palestine are Muslims - religion is not a boundary there between Palestinians) does or attempts to do the same thing.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 13, 2006 0:06:55 GMT
shalin i see your an alex jones fan. Prolly the most famous conspiracy theorist on the planet, who has come out with alot of whacky claims over the years. I take with a pinch of salt anything that comes out of his mouth, you seem to give him more credibility.
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Post by shalin on Jul 13, 2006 0:11:27 GMT
suicide bombings werent used by muslims at first...it was sum next ppl dat made it up YES they were. It was an iranian 'concept'. But the japanese in the 2nd world war developed the 'kamikaze'. There was a child who actually did blow himself up in Iran, yes, during the Iraq-Iran war. But get your chronology in check...WW2 took place decades before that incident. How can one say that this is some sort of tactic used only by Muslims? Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, etc., have all used it. Buddhist monks have set themselves a fire in protest. I see it as these people wanting to live in peace, but it is not attainable therefore they feel as though they have to die. The Romans had attacked people through suicide, and when did that empire die out? Suicide bombing only came to Palestine in the late 1980s. The 'Tamil Tigers' also used it when fighting against Sri Lankan forces, hence the reason why Rajiv Gandhi was killed. Sure his death was in '91 I believe, but you can't say it did not take place earlier at a lesser scale. Basically, it's been around for ages, but only came back from population to population at a greater scale in the 20th century.
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Post by shalin on Jul 13, 2006 0:14:58 GMT
shalin i see your an alex jones fan. Prolly the most famous conspiracy theorist on the planet, who has come out with alot of whacky claims over the years. I take with a pinch of salt anything that comes out of his mouth, you seem to give him more credibility. Never said I was a fan of his...I despise his approach to his audience, speaking loudly and such, so I try not to refer him to anyone, but sometimes some of his documentaries touch on things that others haven't. There are some people who pretty much love him, but it's kind of pathetic.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 13, 2006 0:40:52 GMT
I agree with alot of what you say, 9/11, iraq, afghanistan and palestine. There are injustices (jenin, palestine), and there are manipulative powers who sway the thinking of the populace, whether thats happening in india today, i doubt it, did that happen during/after 9/11 in the states, im sure it did.
This thread can go in2 a million directions. Back 2 the india bombings. I dont believe there is a goverment cover up.
I just believe, like i said at the start of the thread, IF 'kashmiri seperatists' ADMIT to the attack and take responsibility then india should be firm, and try to eliminate the groups. In the past there has been a 'wishy washy' response, only for more bombings.
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Post by rickyduggal on Jul 13, 2006 13:46:57 GMT
this is sooo bad i got famz in mumbai, but they're well This is devastating Terrorists RIP All souls lost
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Post by 50Cent on Jul 15, 2006 11:30:02 GMT
i dont no why they kill innocents, if they love there religion that much they should go 2 HQ and blow themshelfs with the 10000 that are there.
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Post by shalin on Jul 16, 2006 6:44:31 GMT
i dont no why they kill innocents, if they love there religion that much they should go 2 HQ and blow themshelfs with the 10000 that are there. How ignorant can you be? It's almost amusing how f*cked up this world has become, especially in terms of the lack of common sense the people of the West hold. If you want to talk about killing innocents, go look at Israel's new war on the entire Middle East, soon to be combined with America's war.
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Post by kidterra on Jul 17, 2006 22:19:07 GMT
i think the isreali troops will be crossing over in2 lebenon to push back hezbollah.
Also seymour hersh has said the americans are planning WHEN to attack iran and what WEAPONS to use.
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