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Post by prestonians on Aug 6, 2006 13:58:24 GMT
well thats what happenes to 99 % of girls that marry muslim males. ive heard dozens of cases where the girl has to convert to please the boys families.
my point is these same girls say why cant i marry a muslim male. but then why do they have to convert also?? do they not think about that.
i think its plain wrong. i dont care if i hurt someones feelings. asa bhatra ive been brought up with the spirit of sikhism inside me. but what i dont like is how muslims boast that they are converting sikh girls. AND THE SAD FACT IS ITS TRUE.
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Post by prestonians on Aug 6, 2006 14:05:45 GMT
ALOF OF GIRLS ARE GETTING ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY ABOUT WHY I CANT DO THIS AND WHY I CANT DO THAT.
BUT YOU LOOSE THE ARGUEMENT WHEN YOU GO AND CONVERT. WHICH MEANS YOULL GIVE UP YOUR RELGION. WHERES THE SENCE IN THAT.
MY QUESTION IS WHY CANT YOU STILL BE SIKH!
HEY!
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Post by subzzz on Aug 7, 2006 18:39:27 GMT
why dont both of em research into the religions and they might find the right path aswell as gettin married. People are bought up being told their religion by their parents, but we dnt really knw anything about our religion and think to ourselves does it really make sense. If the person loves you so much i'm sure they'l b willing to look into the their religion, i mean theres only one right religion, find out about it, then u got an argument to hold onto your religion and get married! by da way i was reked wen i was writin dis so it mite not make sense!!!
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Post by JKD on Aug 8, 2006 14:32:07 GMT
this is loooong..lol
well theres ppl here who think its wrong to convert fullstop.. ppl who think muslims should to sikhism.. ppl who think sikhs should convert to muslims..
well theres no point in converting unless u have love and respect for the religion.. not jus ur partner.. i wudnt go out with ne1.. let alone sum1 from another caste..or religion.. but one thing i sure know is that i wudnt expect sum1 to jus go the Gurdwara and matha tek Sri Guru Granth Sahib jus bcos they married or going out with a Sikh.. its about wats in the persons heart..
at the end of the day.. if losing ur parents respect (not in all cases tho) .. having ppl in society look weirdly and down on u.. losing the identity uv had for so many years and confusing ur future kids bigtym is worth "love" then go for it.
btw.. those ppl who married into different religions.. wat kind of marriages did u have? as in Sikh wedding or Muslim wedding? and how did u adapt ur lifestyle? apologies if this had been asked b4.. cant b arsed to read 6 loong ass pages.
no offence to anyone here.. God IS One..wether we Muslim or Sikh.. even if sum of us dont agree x
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Post by Desi Tiger on Aug 8, 2006 15:02:55 GMT
Ezze all oki jusi interesting point you made you say you wudnt go out with anyone from any other cast or religion right... what if your soul mate as they call it was from any cast you cant controll what you feel for sum1 if they were muslim or a differnt cast right. so you would turn a blind eye to the guy you meena be with , bare in mind im talkin hypethically here im intersted seen as you said that and i respect your view. but what if that situation was to arise with you i aint sayin it will or wont jus curious?
I guess end of the day it would come down to a mutual decision and probly let the children decide for them self and not be forced into it right? but if its meant to be then its meant to be right regardless or religion or cast?
peace
tiger
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Post by JKD on Aug 10, 2006 15:24:49 GMT
ok am not being a bandari.. but i wouldn't get myself into that kind of situation in the first place.. i know my limits.. who wat wer how..lol.. so i dont overstep the border..
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Post by S on Aug 11, 2006 11:53:43 GMT
ok am not being a bandari.. but i wouldn't get myself into that kind of situation in the first place.. i know my limits.. who wat wer how..lol.. so i dont overstep the border.. Exault! I think that's the problem with most people of our generation anyway. If a 15 year old kid thinks they're old enough to go and commit themselves with somebody and stay with them for years, then of course they can't look back once they've approached "marriage age", cos they've already stepped over the line! No disrespect intended to anybody here BTW, but I don't think I'd ever let myself fall in love with somebody outside of my religion. It wouldn't feel right for me, because I've grown up with particular values that wouldn't mix with somebody else's more Islamic-way of life. If both partners are not so religious though, then that's another story.. Perhaps this topic is more a question of, do you love your partner more than your religion and identity!
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Post by JKD on Aug 11, 2006 18:20:54 GMT
woohoooo i got exalted today ;D.. the highlight if ma day lol yh 'S' im soo feeling wat u saying... 'Perhaps this topic is more a question of, do you love your partner more than your religion and identity!' so very truee!! well do ya?
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Post by prestonians on Aug 12, 2006 23:45:35 GMT
well first to adress this issue. first youu have to akknoleage who these people are. a muslim has a set of beliefs. these include they believe they will get 72 virgins in heaven if they commit suicide and blow up innocent people. they also have thousands of other twisted beliefs. their own prophet was a peadphile. so is it not surprising that we see so many muslims involved in crime.
so why would anyone in their right mind convert to this religion or get involved with this person.
some people might say well the individual is not that religious. dont be fooled. these muslims can change their thinking in a minute. whats to say that in a weeks or even 6 months month time. theis person suddenly decides to become religious. and his thinking changes.
and now that you have been with a muslim no one will want you.
for me. the person i marry must some set values. muslims have so many twisted views. that is in possibel to be friends with one let alonne marry one. mny however have fallen in the trap. and my prayers are with them. and hope they see the light some day.
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Post by patdesidal79 on Aug 16, 2006 6:38:58 GMT
i would not say marrying a different race is bad..but if you think of the children in the future who will be confused and mixed up about which religion to follow and respect will ultimately be frustrated when they are grown up. if you ask me..i rather stick to my own religion and marry my own religion in order to avoid future probs and disagreements
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Post by bupsee on Aug 16, 2006 14:12:31 GMT
THE TRUTH IS GUYS RELIGION DOES PLAY A PART IN EVEYONES LIFE, BUT IF YOU TRULY CARE FOR SOMEONE YOU SHOULD DO WHATS RIGHT BY THEM NOT BY YOU. BUT REMEMBER THEY SHOULD DO WHATS RIGHT BY THEM ALSO. IM A MUSLIM GUY AND HAVE BEEN GOING OUT WITH A SIKH GIRL FOR 4 YEARS. TRUTH BE KNOWN I LOVE HER TO BITS AND WOULD MARRY HER TOMORROW IF I COULD. NO QUESTIONS ASKED BUT SHE CANT LEAVE HER FAMILY. I WOULDNT ASK HER TO CHANGE RELIGION, SHE IS WHO SHE IS AND I RESPECT HER FOR THAT. BUT SHE SAYS SHE CANT LEAVE HER FAMILY. I KNOW MY FAMILY WOULD COME AROUND IN THE END AND ALTHOUGH I AM MUSLIM MY PARENTS DONT EXPECT TO MARRY JUST A MUSLIM GIRL "AS LONG OUR SONS HAPPY" FAMOUS MOTHERLY WORDS. EVEN IF PEOPLE TOLD ME IT WAS WRONG I WOULD TELL THEM WHERE TO STICK IT. THE TRUTH IS PEOPLE HAVE A STIGMA ABOUT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS THATS STUCK AND WE ALL NEED TO LEARN HOW TO GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER NOT HATE EACH OTHER. WE ARE ALL THE SAME WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH ME OR NOT. ITS BECAUSE OF THE NARROW MINDED PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE LOOSE THE ONE PERSON THEY LOVE. I HEAR PEOPLE ON HERE SAYING MUSLIMS AND SIKHS CANT BE FRIENDS? TELL ME WHY? ?? BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED DONKEYS YEARS AGO!!! MAYBE IF SOME OF YOU PEOPLE OPENED YOUR EYES AND SAW SOME HOME TRUTHS YOU WOULD REALISE DIFFERENT. TIMES AND TRADITIONS CHANGE WE ALL KNOW THIS, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT AT ONE TIME THERE WOULD BE SO MANY ASIANS (I MEAN THIS TO ALL MUSLIMS, SIKHS AND HINDUS) LIVING IN THE UK. THE TRUTH WE ARE ALL HERE IN THIS WORLD FOR A REASON SO WHY NOT GET ALONG.
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Post by Amarjit Eichmann on Aug 18, 2006 21:34:30 GMT
"Mankind ought to be taught that religions are but the varied expressions of THE RELIGION, which is Oneness, so that each may choose the path that suits him best."
As long as each person respects the others' faith, its ok. It will It will be confusing for the kids, but could also be a pretty enlightening experience. But to attempt this, both indivduals have to be responsible and very mature. I don't think that i could do something like this, so i'm just gonna find me a nice Sikh kuri
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Post by Street Team 06 on Aug 20, 2006 22:02:56 GMT
This is a touchy issue but im quite surprised how its gone smoothly with no arguments and racist comments.. well done
I think that converting someone just for the sake of changing one to another religion is wrong and as jusi said, you cant just convert for "the sake of it" and follow that religion just cause ur partner is the said religion
ive heard the stories and its been confirmed by a lot of people that muslim guys do go out with "Sikh" and "Hindu" girls just to convert them, this makes me feel sorry for the girls and also the guys. These guys dont follow their religion properly and think that by converting a girl their problems will end whilst these girls are misguided, misinformed and believe that they are being lectured if you tell them to learn about their own relgion before converting - they think that your interfering in their life and cant stand to see them happy, but naiveness is often the cause of this conversion.
To be upright and honest I dont think theres any problem with Sikh / Muslim marriages, its just when the guy / girl converts the other person on the basis of "religious obligation" it becomes a messy matter
anyway im going on a bit now so ill stop
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Post by bupsee on Aug 23, 2006 20:44:35 GMT
STREET TEAM YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. IM MUSLIM MYSELF AND YOUR RIGHT ITS WRONG TO CONVERT SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE GET OUT OF IT.
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Post by Street Team 06 on Aug 24, 2006 19:29:53 GMT
Respect bupsee you got your head screwed on
Its meant to be easy access to heaven or something
Dunno though
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Post by punjabishawty on Aug 24, 2006 19:32:49 GMT
dey shouldnt have to convert if they want to i suppose they could.
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Post by Street Team 06 on Aug 25, 2006 17:57:17 GMT
Thats jus it they SHOULDNT HAVE TO convert, but their partner pressures em etc and it gets confusing
basically love shud be on basis of well LOVE not color or religion lol
its a very touchy matter
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Post by musicmaster on Sept 1, 2006 2:08:13 GMT
well it might be hard these days, but in the future, i think the next generation of people (your kids) wont see a problem with it as much, cuz society is getting worse by the day, and sh!t happens! just let love take its path, and take everyday as it comes
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Post by mizzdeol on Sept 20, 2006 18:03:23 GMT
dum fcuk sumin called paternal and maternal relationshipz. tryna diss peeple? lemme tell u one thing bro. U suk at it how can you be half muslim and half indian?
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Post by mizzdeol on Sept 20, 2006 18:04:44 GMT
dey shouldnt have to convert if they want to i suppose they could. absolutely
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Post by djembadjemba on Oct 1, 2006 8:06:26 GMT
if they want to marry thats ok but if you have to convert you're religion you're just a pussy and should be cooked on an open fire like a pig roast
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Post by cantstandya on Oct 1, 2006 13:14:39 GMT
WELL SAID.CERTAIN PEOPLE JUST USE THE TERM "LOVE" TO CONVERT THEIR "PREY" INTO THEIR RELIGION. B A S T A R D S.
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Post by h0TsT3P3R on Nov 22, 2006 16:29:23 GMT
Hmmm what an issue.. what an issue indeed. More of a struggle. Something that should not even be thought about in our day to day life, because it's not something a so called infidel thinks about when they bring up their children. But as we get older we seem to break out of our protective shell and see the world for what it really is.
I believe who you fall in love with in life should be unintentional. That it don't matter if your partner is rich or poor etc. But we live in a world where we and every other religion seem to be an enemy and that everything they do is intentional? I.E find a non muslim girl, brainwash her set her apart from her religion, family and friends. What an achievement. I mean how sad is that? Why would they want to mix with Infidels if we’re so bad?
Sikhism was formed on the basis of the struggle that was facing south Asia at the time. A new light, a pure light. I'm not here to teach you about religion you should know that or at least educate yourself? You were able to learn to read and write English why not learn of your religion is it not that important if it’s not then this is the problem? Your weakness their strength!!!
We have lived our life with many obstacles and will continue to do so. We know what’s good and bad for us but this is all determined on how well we're taught and what we are taught. I would not be writing this if I thought there was not an issue. The problem lies in EDUCATION. Educate yourselves and each other, make it your duty. Use the Internet to search, I mean you have no excuses your on this forum. There is another virtual world here for us to educate ourselves.
Hate is born in one when one sets hate upon another. It does not plough from thin air. Live your life true. Save yourselves and each other.
There is good and bad in everyone, just listen to your family. Ask them for advice if you are facing this problem. After all that’s what family is about and there for and they won't exactly lie to you either. The consequences could be a lot worse if you go with your instincts!!!
I think it's about time that you woke up from your deep sleep, wake from the hounds that are hunting U!!!
What do you get when you mix a pure bred pedigree with another breed? You get a Mongrel. Stick to your own Kind
Stay on the offence not the defence. We have been defending ourselves for far too long.
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Post by bupsee on Dec 4, 2006 23:26:50 GMT
To the person above - way to go with the trying to be clever with all your crap and racist remarks. However you have tried to justify your waffle by stating that all Muslims are out there to do one thing. "you have not been direct but the subject is about Muslims and Sikhs" i beg to differ with you pal. You go on to slate all Muslims in your sly methods yet you try to make yourself appear to be open minded. I think your mind contradicts itself and you don't really think you just wanted to look intelligent. But you haven't fooled anyone with your waffle. Firstly i think you should educate yourself and learn a bit more about your own religion before commenting on others. As your mentality of thinking seems as though you live in a box vision world. Not every Muslim male is out there to convert a girl maybe you should realise that before making such comments. Believe it or not we might be Muslims but we do have brains and hearts. So think about that first...... You mention that every religion... yet you aim it directly at Islam being the evil of all...... maybe if you speak to a true Muslim who will give you true meanings then your pathetic view will change. Also the stupid comment about a mongrel being produced..... well why don't you think back to the times before Sikhs, before Muslims when the first religion was Hinduism. So does that make us all mongrels then? ?? You haven't really given your answer much thought have you. You see people with the mentality that you have make the world a terrible place to live in. Until you change your views and start to see the person not the religion then you are true to yourself, your religion and others and their religions also. Let me leave you with a comment that i am sure most people will agree with. In all religions it states clearly that you must respect all those in your life and around you and in what they believe. This is in Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism etc etc. Maybe you should educate yourself to learn that people love for happiness not to convert or to intentionally hurt people or cause friction. If 2 people from a different religion want to marry then let them. We are human beings and the only person we answer to is god. If you feel its wrong then you should keep your comments to yourself as you are his creation not the other way around.... remember that. Muslim and Sikhs getting married is not an issue its peoples mentality of thinking that causes the friction....... I apologise if this offends anyone. I am in no way slating any religion at all. This is a subject that is very close to me and im tired of people slating mixed religion couples, especially when a muslim guy dates a sikh girl. We aint all the same and i think its time people started to open their eyes to this......
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Post by Street Team 06 on Dec 6, 2006 20:56:21 GMT
but bupsee there is one thing, when a Sikh guy checks a Muslim girl, even becomes friends with her, hes threatened and in some cases beaten up - i know someone who this happened to, and the person may pretend it doesnt bother them, but it does you can just tell
and as for converting, im sorry im not a racist, i have many muslim friends - they are like brothers, but its an issue rooted deep within many muslim youth of this day and age, they are sent out to seduce and convert Sikh girls - now im not saying that ALL muslims are like this, but there are many of them out there, they drink / smoke / go clubbin but then think once theyve converted an 'infidel', they will get access to heaven - come on man thats a twisted view and im sure Islam as a great world religion would have that within its scriptures
Ive spoken to muslim people about this and one girl said to me, "okay we dont believe that everyone should convert, etc BUT if your not a muslim, you go to hell. so as your friend I should give you knowledge about Islam, and then you can make your own mind up" - come on bruv, what does that mean? thats indirectly saying all non muslims go to hell
thats not true, its only true if you believe that Islam is the truth, and us as Sikhs neglect Islam, Hinduism and any other religion apart from Sikhism - that dont mean we nurture hatred, we RESPECT these religions but we do not belive that they are true, thats how it iz
anyway im going a little off topic here but bruv ive seen this happen, girl goes out with muslim "hes different" and then a few years down the line, shes converted and in some cases, she didnt want to convert, but did so because she didnt want to lose her lover - people dont realise that this world is fake, nothin here is real, its all a test - this 'love' for your partner is a test to see if youll leave ur religion, for another - and if you do, then that says something about you
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