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Post by londonLIONjatt on May 2, 2008 13:52:37 GMT
Sikh "anand karaj" can't be done without both humans being sikh, so your disobeying your own religion and i believe it's the same with muslims, in less conversion takes place, but that is totally unhealthy as your doing it for the sake of being with that person rather then really accepting the religion truthfully. well before SGPC and anand marriage act duiring British Raj times, it used to be Khalsa, who used to be mainly nihangs, who would usually do Anand Karaj. Other sikhs, ie sehajdharis usually did marriages according to their tribes and cultures. Theer is much difference between pre 20th century sikhi and the sikh"ism" of rules by the SGPC of the last century.Of course if 2 people have agreed to doing anand Karaj in front of Guru Granth Sahib they might as well follow the Guru, ie being sikhs. www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_sanatan4.html‘The Sikhism preached by the people such as Khem Singh Bedi and Avatar Singh Vahiria is difficult to envisage today, so comprehensive has been their defeat by the Tat Khalsa. For them Sikhism tolerated variety and upheld the right of Sikhs to participate in folk religion. Caste was maintained and idol worship was tolerated. There were different forms of marriage for different castes and different rituals could be practised by various members of the Panth. All manners of customs, such as those involving astrology, horoscopes and incantation, were acceptable. Visits to the sacred shrines of Hindus and Muslims as well as those of the Guru’s were entirely approved. Sanatan leaders might not follow these customs themselves, but certainly they were prepared to tolerate them in others. They were part of the immense variety which characterized the world they had known and the world they hoped would continue. All this was anathema to the Tat Khalsa. Sikhism could not possibly be as broad and as tolerant as Sanatan Sikhs believed.’ ‘Sikhism’, by Hew McLeod, 1997, Pa. 77 www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_nirankari2.html The Multifarious Faces of Sikhism throughout Sikh History Page 2 of 4 Nirankaris cont'd Baba Dyal Ji’s son, Darbara Singh (1814-1870) succeeded him as ‘Nirankari Guru’. Baba Darbara Singh Baba Dyal Singh's son seen here in an early sketch conducting the 'Anand Karj' (marriage) It was he who first introduced the wide-scale usage of the Akali Nihang method of ‘Anand Karj’ (marriage) amongst even non-Khalsa ‘Sehajdhari’ Sikhs. It is to be noted that the vast majority of Sikh historians consider Nirankaris to be the initiators of ‘Anand Karj’. This is incorrect according to Budha Dal oral tradition. Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh comments: ‘Sikh, whether he be ‘Sehajdhari’ or ‘Khalsa’, should only marry according to Anand Karj form of marriage. ----- Anand Karj has been blessed by the Guru. He who is married according to Anand Karj form of marriage - he does not go to hell. That is why a Sikh should marry according to Anand Karj form of marriage. It has been from the beginning before the Khalsa was initiated.’ Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh, transcript of interview on 28-10-1999 The question arises - can one substantiate Budha Dal oral tradition with regards to the Anand karj? In a ‘Rehitnama’ (code of conduct) attributed to Bhai Daya Singh, one of the original ‘Panj Piyareh’ (5 Beloved Ones), it is stated: ‘Other than Anand form of marriage, do not marry’ ‘Rehitnama’, edited by Piara Singh Padam, Pa. 77 Further in same ‘Rehitnama’ it is clearly stipulated: ‘He who performs ‘Shrad’ (feeding of Brahmins), and marriages through Brahmins. Does not conform to Guru’s traditions - he is a ‘Tankhia’ (apostate). ‘Rehitnameh’, edited by Piara Singh Padam Pa. 77 The Multifarious Faces of Sikhism throughout Sikh History Page 3 of 4 Nirankaris cont'd In the 1860s Nirankaris began heavily promoting the ‘Anand’ form of Sikh marriage as opposed to the Brahmanical form of ‘Vedic’ marriage. This Sikh form of marriage already existed amongst the Akali Nihangs. The Multifarious Faces of Sikhism throughout Sikh History Page 4 of 4 Nirankaris cont'd Akali Nihangs throughout their history, as today, have never had anything do with ‘Pameh’ (Brahmins). Sunder Singh Ramgharia, a Sanatan Sikh who became the British appointed ‘Sarbrah’ of the Golden Temple after Arura Singh, whilst quoting an unnamed source writes about the Akali Nihangs: ‘They are very strict Sikhs and retain very carefully the five Kakkas (K’s). They generally partake plentifully of bhang [hemp]. They are often celibate, and their marriages when performed are carried out without the aid of Brahmans.’ Guide to the Durbar Sahib or Golden Temple of Amritsar: Lahore 1903. P. 34 As Nirankaris promoted ‘Anand Karj’, they ended up inspiring the Namdhari Guru Ram Singh (for more information on Namdharis, click here). He in turn, on 4th June 1863, established his version of Anand Karj. Mrs Beant Kaur speaks of Namdhari marriage thus: -‘A wooden pavilion (Vedi) was erected at the site of marriage ceremony. The Havan Yag was performed in the center of the pavilion, not by Brahmin or Pandits but by Gursikhs: by reciting the Gurbani of Sri Adi Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth Sahib. - the girl as well as the boy were then blessed with Amrit and Guru Mantra. -the Lavans (Mantras) were recited from the sacred Adi Granth Sahib Ji – four anti-clock wise circles were performed by the couple around the sacred fire of the Havan, inside the pavilion -both the bride and bridegroom wore simple white dress with woolen rosary around their necks.' ‘The Namdhari Sikhs’, by Beant Kaur Namdhari, Pa. 23 In the 1890s, as Tat Khalsa Singh Sabhias endeavored to firmly establish a distinct Sikh identity from Hindus, they endeavored to utilize the Sehajdhari Nirankari Sikh version of 'Anand Karj', which was no doubt based upon an earlier Akali Nihang version. The Tat Khalsa Singh Sabhias pushed for the Nirankari form to be recognized as the official Sikh form of marriage under British Raj law. One of the main campaigners to push this movement was the ardent Tat Khalsa Singh Sabhia, Bhai Jodh Singh, who married his son to the daughter of the Nirankari Guru, Bhai Rata Ji (1830-1909) – the younger brother of Baba Darbara Singh. The Sikh ‘Anand Marriage Act’, with the assistance of the King of Patiala and the Namdhari Guru, Baba Partap Singh, was passed by British on 20th October 1909.
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Post by amriksingh on May 2, 2008 14:09:46 GMT
at the end of the day, there's a differences between both religions, accepting both causes a contradiction, it's either one or the other. the partner is one or the other, if want to live a scrambled life then that's up to the individual.
so for me it's a no
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Post by londonLIONjatt on May 2, 2008 14:17:58 GMT
at the end of the day, there's a differences between both religions, accepting both causes a contradiction, it's either one or the other. the partner is one or the other, if want to live a scrambled life then that's up to the individual. y6eh definetly, conflicting viewpoints don't lead to a good family life, and confuses the kids even more
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Post by ~Im Sky High~ on May 8, 2008 15:28:13 GMT
it aint wrong oviously .. just gonna bring promblemss within the family
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Post by sony on Aug 3, 2008 21:54:04 GMT
omg wow well ok yes we are different but are we really? i mean if you reall ylove some one go for it you only live once and i got to make the best of it yes im a sikh n yes muh boyfriend is muslim and i love him so much and we really dont want to hurt our parents thats right but what to do ? i think it can onyl work if you really want it to btu if you want sumthign so bad then you will def. get it rigth btu u have to work at it ! n yes we do have our difference but at one piont we were all friends lets stop this S#!t war n relgion fights because its gettign us no where n well i dont think its wrong as long as your not doing it for all the wrong reasons!
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Post by amlijattuk on Aug 3, 2008 22:51:33 GMT
don't cry over spilt milk
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Post by amlijattuk on Aug 3, 2008 22:53:53 GMT
omg wow well ok yes we are different but are we really? i mean if you reall ylove some one go for it you only live once and i got to make the best of it yes im a sikh n yes muh boyfriend is muslim and i love him so much and we really dont want to hurt our parents thats right but what to do ? i think it can onyl work if you really want it to btu if you want sumthign so bad then you will def. get it rigth btu u have to work at it ! n yes we do have our difference but at one piont we were all friends lets stop this S#!t war n relgion fights because its gettign us no where n well i dont think its wrong as long as your not doing it for all the wrong reasons! oh dear let's all get together kiss and make up ;D never going to happen
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Post by ammo on Aug 5, 2008 19:21:13 GMT
omg wow well ok yes we are different but are we really? i mean if you reall ylove some one go for it you only live once and i got to make the best of it yes im a sikh n yes muh boyfriend is muslim and i love him so much and we really dont want to hurt our parents thats right but what to do ? i think it can onyl work if you really want it to btu if you want sumthign so bad then you will def. get it rigth btu u have to work at it ! n yes we do have our difference but at one piont we were all friends lets stop this S#!t war n relgion fights because its gettign us no where n well i dont think its wrong as long as your not doing it for all the wrong reasons! um....as a Sikh I woulda thought ud realise that we dont only live once.....we live like 8 million times until we are on the level of the Sants and can escape the circle of re-incarnation. Jus thought Id point that out ;D
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Aug 6, 2008 13:14:37 GMT
omg wow well ok yes we are different but are we really? i mean if you reall ylove some one go for it you only live once and i got to make the best of it yes im a sikh n yes muh boyfriend is muslim and i love him so much and we really dont want to hurt our parents thats right but what to do ? i think it can onyl work if you really want it to btu if you want sumthign so bad then you will def. get it rigth btu u have to work at it ! n yes we do have our difference but at one piont we were all friends lets stop this S#!t war n relgion fights because its gettign us no where n well i dont think its wrong as long as your not doing it for all the wrong reasons! I consider life too short to spend time with too many partners, I think one is enough like a wife, so I don't pay attention to things like gfs lol maybe u should try and be a good girl and not do this bf-gf stuff? lol
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Post by Street Team 06 on Aug 24, 2008 21:12:12 GMT
omg wow well ok yes we are different but are we really? i mean if you reall ylove some one go for it you only live once and i got to make the best of it yes im a sikh n yes muh boyfriend is muslim and i love him so much and we really dont want to hurt our parents thats right but what to do ? i think it can onyl work if you really want it to btu if you want sumthign so bad then you will def. get it rigth btu u have to work at it ! n yes we do have our difference but at one piont we were all friends lets stop this S#!t war n relgion fights because its gettign us no where n well i dont think its wrong as long as your not doing it for all the wrong reasons! well for a start Sikhi believes in re-incarnation so how can you say "you only live once".. what to do? why get into a situation your parents wouldnt approve of? well if you comprimise your beliefs (convert to islam), then its a huge disappointment because you did it because of your "love" but not because you loved the religion.. hopefully you realise what your doing and the devestating effects on your family and your spirituality..
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Aug 25, 2008 7:52:21 GMT
cant b fuked to read the above comments... i just follow da simple rule in my life. Never go out with gurls from diff religion. Simple Those who talk abt Love can happen with anyone and anywhere....You should think twice before commiting to mate from another religion. Cuz yes ..u do have 101% control over ur mind..so derz no excuse..but anyway tO eaCh HiS oWN...
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Post by Froggy on Sept 18, 2008 0:55:32 GMT
God knows how old this post is but koi ni, i feel as though i have to add my dass rupeyeh to this one; Sikh and musla marriages??? Are you mad or something? Why show a total and complete disregard for our Sikhi forefathers and such who sacrificed everything just to preserve our religion? Seriously. ''hopefully you realise what your doing and the devestating effects on your family and your spirituality..''
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Post by psp on Oct 7, 2008 14:39:46 GMT
Here's an interesting site for you Sikh girls with Muslim boyfriends: www.sikh4aweek.blogspot.com/Please do mention, if your pic is on that blog!!!
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Oct 7, 2008 17:21:26 GMT
i feel very sad for those guys who pick up chicks with dat mentality. i duno abt you guys but personally speaking, i never picked up, fuked & den dumped a chick cuz of her religion. Dunt have tatte to pull dat off and den Post dere pics up...lol
and the positive thing 4 u JuK guys is,make sure ur future wife aint dere...lol
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Post by JackWilshere on Oct 7, 2008 17:42:09 GMT
1 - Most of those pics are of random asian girls which can be found anywhere on the internet.
2 - There are many sites like that which label sikh/hindu/muslim/jewish girls as dirty hoes who will f**k anything with a hearbeat, truth is the people behind these sites are sad ignorant internet geeks who have their own little hateful agenda, so why the f**k would you start taking anything on those sites seriously?
Shall we start posting sites which hate on hindu or muslim girls? Be here all day.
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Post by Ghost... on Oct 7, 2008 19:00:06 GMT
man...
too much to write about, keep it in religion..
cos if you OR family really cared, caste wouldnt matter.
end of.
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Post by JaTT on Oct 7, 2008 22:16:09 GMT
^^^^ well said and post by Miguel too. On another note a retaliation site by a punjabi guy (link in general music thread post) does go a little raw with the pics lol.
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Post by ammo on Oct 8, 2008 12:41:46 GMT
1 - Most of those pics are of random asian girls which can be found anywhere on the internet. 2 - There are many sites like that which label sikh/hindu/muslim/jewish girls as dirty hoes who will f**k anything with a hearbeat, truth is the people behind these sites are sad ignorant internet geeks who have their own little hateful agenda, so why the f**k would you start taking anything on those sites seriously? Shall we start posting sites which hate on hindu or muslim girls? Be here all day. Mate im telling you straight that these are not random pics. Im a sikh and my kuri mate knows 60% of the girls on the site. She contacted em askin em if it was true and all she got back was a tirade of abuseabout how its their lives etc......so this is really happening and that site is real!
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Post by psp on Oct 8, 2008 14:36:26 GMT
That's a shame, and those girls deserve everything they get, i feel sorry for there families to who they have put shame on!!
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Oct 10, 2008 15:12:07 GMT
HAve you seen the kinda pics many girls have on facebook/hi5/myspace/bebo? proper kunjari slag pics, anmd they come from sikh/hindu/muslim backgrounds, its like in any community.
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Post by Harj Cohen on Oct 14, 2008 2:50:49 GMT
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Post by londonLIONjatt on Oct 14, 2008 15:05:04 GMT
lol yes finished off with akj style kirtan, not the best message, but better than hard kaur lolol
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Post by Ghost... on Oct 14, 2008 19:37:45 GMT
dang!
S#!t is mad.
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Post by Ðesi Underground™ on Oct 20, 2008 9:32:03 GMT
hardK got nice pair of tities mannn....
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Post by sham on Mar 15, 2009 20:36:17 GMT
Salam. SSA and greetings to All.....
Hope this message gets to all in the very best of health...Ameen...
Just want to say a quick hello as im a new member and would like to say that i have very briefly read some of the comments and find them very interesting.
I am in a similair situation where i have been dating a sikh guy for just over 6months now, i am a muslim and this may sound strange but i can truly say this is love as we have never met, as he lives in india and i in the UK...we speak daily and its costing me a fortune i must say in bills.....the commitment and loyalty i have had from this person is truly amazing, as he is the most caring person i have ever met.
Prior to this i was married twice from back home but was used on both occasions for immigration purposes, but that is the past i guess...whatever Allah wills...
I can say that lot of people on this tread have put forward some good comments and i hope to take time out to read through all of them....May Allah help me in making the right decision....Ameen
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